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04-06-2019 04:30 PM
Interesting discussion. I just wanted to chime in again. I am currently on a low carb diet. I eat very few carbs and they come from low sugar fruits and plenty of veggies, and some very high fiber grain products I rarely eat red meat, my protein sources are primarily eggs, poultry and seafood as well as a bit of cheese. Never eat deep fried foods. Don’t smoke, don’t drink coffee. Take a probiotic religiously. I am actually doing better with reflux now than last year when I was eating a higher carb low fat diet. Go figure. That being said, although I eat low carb, I do not consume massive amounts of fat like some Keto people do. It keep it more moderate. I don’t have many trigger foods except hot sauce and sometimes tomato sauce. Basically I get reflux from nothing. It starts a while after I wake up and some days the Nexium keeps it under control some days it breaks through. Zantac is no longer effective for me and Tums are basically candy. I think I have a weak esophageal sphincter. Either that, or it is bile acid reflux, for which there is no cure. My GP, who I trust very much told me that, as well as al the googling I did. I guess I’m just getting old and falling apart! But I am probably due for a ful GI workup just to see what’s going on.
04-06-2019 04:30 PM
@Susan Louise wrote:
@Susan Louise wrote:
Keto is not a ‘low carb’ diet.
Keto is a ‘High Fat’ diet.
All that fat, causing digestion to slooooooow down
just exacerbates the heartburn/GERD condition.
@sidsmom I am sad you won't watch the video. One does not have to be 'keto' to reap the benefits of getting off OTC meds. The Dr explains about the heartburn/acid reflux/GERD.
I respect your totally opposite view of what you choose to eat/lifestyle, however, you are incorrect about what causes the condition.
You can trust me, by watching the video you won't be hypnotized into a keto lifestyle. He explains about the condition.
I honored your request & listened to the video.
I’m always game to learn about the opposition.
His quick fixes:
ACV, gum, licorice chews, baking soda, ginger root & salt (by his own admission ‘I’m not sure how that works, but it does”...odd coming from a doctor, but I continued on).
1. Non-inflammatory diet. Correct. Processed foods, dairy...of course but the classic low-carb ‘grains’ was thrown in. No reason why...just ‘grains.’ A billion Chinese are all wrong for multi-thousands of years. Got it.
2. Lose weight. Correct
3. Stop eating before bedtime. If eating a LFPB diet, timing won’t be an issue.
4. Incline the entire bed. Huh? Again, if making this a long-term solution, incorporating a LFPB Diet you wont have to alter your furniture.
5. Stop smoking/caffeine. Correct.
6. Probiotic. Mixed...at first when the gut bacteria is weak, a probiotic might be needed, but a LFPB diet is wonderful for healing & building gut bacteria, so probiotics are not needed for long-term solutions.
7. Too tight clothes. Of course.
Keto diets (high in fat) and low carb diets are constipating. Many different sphincters in your body are challenged when consuming low fiber foods which is basically Keto/low carb.
High fiber naturally comes from plants/grains. High fiber foods will help one lose weight, reduce inflammation, naturally build gut bacteria & not challenge the straining to eliminate when not consuming fiberous foods.
In summary, he gives a lot of band-aid remedies, but not how to eliminate it permanently...in a healthy manner. We all know eating high fat & high animal products causes a plethora of cardiovascular & inflammation issues, but that’s another topic for another thread.
The simplest way to reduce/eliminate acid reflux GERD is via a
low fat whole foods plant based for long-term health results.
@sidsmom Well, you missed the big point and that is getting off the terrible OTC meds...or worse if they are actually prescribed.
Taking the OTC acid blocking meds is counterproductive! I am mad at myself for taking any. The more I took the worse my acid reflux/Gerd/heartburn got. I wish I saw this video 5 yrs ago!!! I could have eliminated all the pain I went through and the thousands of $ I spent!!!
You also left out other facts in the video...as if you just cherry picked them.
We will just agree to disagree.
I lived eating your lifestyle for almost 60 yrs and it was leading me to a slow death. I've changed my eating lifestyle...again, not to 'keto' but low carb...there is a difference.
I'm sad about big pharm companies bleeding money off of people for their profits. I'm sad for patients who have Dr's who push the pills...either because they are too lazy to give the patient better/healthier options, or they themselves choose to close their eyes.
As I also mentioned before, one also can't change one's view on anything if they don't want to learn or change themselves.
Going low carb was NOT easy. It was painful in the beginning. It took about 2 months to get used to it.
What were the alternatives for my husband and I to remain eating the way we were...what most would consider 'normal'?
DH staying on his diabetic meds...not just 1...but 2 AND crestor. I would be still taking Prevacid, Zantac and Pepto...and probably a lot more than I was at the end. I was drinking a bottle of Pepto almost every night...besides the Prevacid and about 3-6 Zantac daily. Every day I was getting worse physically and it was mentally depressing me.
What was my next step...seeing if Pepto has it available in a gallon container?
Just 3 weeks into eating a low carb diet, I didn't need the Pepto or Zantac anymore. I stayed on Prevacid til January because I feared stopping. What a fool I was. I could have stopped that immediately too!
I am able to lay flat in bed when I go to sleep and not be propped up with 3 pillows anymore living in fear of choking on acid reflux in the middle of the night. I lierally have not had one incident of acid reflux since my change in lifestyle...and without meds!
I guess I choose doing a little more work by being very selective on carbs, counting carbs and making foods I enjoy like chocolate chip cookies using different ingredients...like almond flour and not white flour and eliminating the sugar with a better alternative...and using Lily's chocolate chips instead of Nestle's. So we still enjoy most of the foods we always loved...we are not deprived...but just make them low carb friendly. There are countless substitution low carb recipes online.
As I have mentioned in other posts of mine, most folks don't want to do the work and would rather just take pills. Just based upon the long term effects of PPI meds, I would rather get myself off of them totally then risk early dementia and more health issues.
For many diabetics that choose to take more insullin rather than change their diet, they are not becoming healthier doing so. They risk more dangerous side effects...loss of digits, limbs, sight, life.
I also choose to not be on meds because I'd rather spend money on other things or not have to dig into savings to pay for them. DH and I are saving literally hundreds of dollars MONTHY being off several meds now.
Sorry, but it makes no logical sense to me for folks to remain stubborn by not changing their lifestyle and staying on meds when there are ways to get off meds.
Additionally, IMO, being off of meds is healthier than being on them. Pharma companies don't make profits on healthy folks.
Yes, there are conditions folks have that they have no choice but to be on meds. But that is not true for all conditions. That is a fact.
Of course we need to get off the medications.
That was understood.
And going low fat whole food plant based will eliminate the need for almost ALL medications almost immediately...not just the medications listed in the originlamtopic. If one was still having issues after adopting that lifestyle, most likely the diet was not followed correctly.
I wasn’t cherry-picking. I was quoting him directly.
I encourage you to go to Dr. McDougall’s website or Dr. Colin Campbell’s book or any of the many plant-based physicians & read up of the dangers of Keto/low carb lifestyle. We have the science & research to PROVE its dangerous on so many different levels.
I honored your suggestion & listened & learned...something you can’t say you’ve done. And given all that I’ve learned about low carb/Keto etc thorough the years, I still think a low fat whole food plant based diet is the best for optimum health. I’ve got a mountain of evidence to prove that.
04-06-2019 04:49 PM - edited 04-06-2019 04:50 PM
I’m glad I found the way to stay better/healthier for the long term.
Maybe that’s the disconnect.
Everyone can ‘do’ and ‘get’.
It’s the ‘stay’ which involves a different approach.
04-06-2019 04:52 PM
@Susan Louise wrote:
Well, I did my best at explaining how I got off of all the meds. That is all anyone can do.
Everyone has their own journey on how they choose to get betterhealthier.
@Susan Louise I think your contribution was interesting and worthwhile. This was your and your husband’s experience.
04-06-2019 05:02 PM - edited 04-06-2019 05:31 PM
You lived 60 years eating LFPB foods? Leading you to a slow death? Back in the 1960's I remember hearing very little about what foods did what for whom or why. You were way ahead of my time in that regard.
I had never even heard the word Vegan, Vegetarian yes, that was about it. I went to several different types of Clinics in the early 70's, given by renown specialists in many fields. One was by a Nutritionist the had been with the USA Olympic teams.
She talked about Athletes Eating Programs/Heart Patients Eating Programs, just to name a few. I didn't hear her say a thing about LFPB eating, yay or nay! Shortly after is when I decided to eliminate at meats, including fish and fowl. This not only improved my Lipid numbers greatly, it also increased my athletic performance in both running and skating playing ice hockey.
The way I had been eating prior, was leading me probably to a faster death, who knows? I do know however WHAT did Save my Life, Twice. Over many decades of trial and error, I now know exactly the foods that have me feeling great every day, and also has brought me back to the best Physical Conditioning I have been almost 3 decades.
What I eat daily I would not suggest anyone else do the same. While I am confident it works the best for me, for others, not so much. While I do have Barrett's Esophagus, I can only speculate on what may have caused it. I have never suffered from heartburn or any other digestive issues. The diagnosis I got after my 1st Endoscopy shocked me. I honestly thought they had given the wrong one.
I haven't watched the video but I hope maybe it helps someone here that does.
Best to you,
04-06-2019 05:09 PM
@Grouchomarx I was on Nexium for years and am totally off now. I started eating healthier, lost A LOT of weight and that helped me to get off it. Now and then I'll eat a little too much before bedtime and I'll use an OTC Zantac, but not too often. It is possible by changing your diet along with certain foods you eat, and what time you eat, to not need it anymore, if that's what's affecting your stomach.
04-06-2019 05:14 PM - edited 04-06-2019 05:30 PM
You lived 60 years eating LFPB foods? Leading you to a slow death? Back in the 1960's I remember hearing about what foods did what for whom or why.
carbs = sugars...which includes those whole grain breads, most high carb fruits and certain veggies. We certainly eat lots of salads, but don't have veggies like kidney beans in say like a chili. Again, it's all about the carbs.
DH and myself had bodies that reached a breaking point of too much carbs/sugars...period. For example, just one slice of whole wheat bread sends our blood sugar levels off the charts. The only bread we can eat now which keeps our blood sugar numbers normal is sprouted flaxseed bread. The only cereal we can eat is oatmeal and only once every 7-10 days.
That is besides the obvious other high carb processed foods.
DH became a type 2 diabetic last yr at 52. I became pre-diabetic at 59...one slippery step from being a full blown type 2 diabetic land and taking meds for that health issue too.
Since our lifestyle change, DH is off his 2 diabetic meds and Crestor. I am off Prevacid, Zantac and Pepto-Bismol...amazing money savings...and being healthier is the ultimate bonus.
I am now getting exhausted re-explaining so much...LOL
Note: For those who know they have high blood sugar, are pre-diabetic, know it and have been told by their Dr from bloodwork, take the consequences of not changing your diet into consideration...
...it would only behoove you in the end.
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