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07-04-2017 01:22 PM
@VegasBusinessWoman wrote:@Kachina624. Thanks for a great article. Summed up nicely why I am not crazy about diamonds. With so many beautiful gemstones in the world, I just can't get overly excited about that one, and for all the reasons your post pointed out.
I also agree. I am noticing younger brides are opting for stones they really like. I have a friend with a natural pink sapphire and another friend with Opal set in rose gold. I for one am loving moissainte.
07-04-2017 02:09 PM
IMO spending thousands of dollars on a ring you can't afford isn't smart. But then I would say the same thing about a car, house, or any other investment purchase.
I wear my real diamond wedding ring set every day and take it on vacation. I don't worry about it. It is insured. One of the guard stones came out last year, and we never could find it, but insurance took care of everything. I don't own or need any other diamond rings. If my DH couldn't have afforded a real diamond I would have been ok with that.
07-04-2017 02:59 PM
Wow....some bored people out there. This is the 2nd long windy library post..lol
07-04-2017 03:34 PM
My mother is a gem collector and dealer/appraiser; I learned a great deal about stones at her knee. My dad collected coins as a hobby and that, too, taught me quite a few valuable lessons.
Lesson #1: Diamonds are a dime a dozen; don't but them UNLESS there is something about it that makes it VERY rare.
Lesson #2: An item is worth ONLY what a person/place is willing to pay for it.
Lesson #3: The markup on jewelry, especially gold, is sickening. To say the consumer is being ripped off is an understatement
07-04-2017 07:59 PM
@Shanus wrote:
@bonnielu wrote:Let me see... why I don't wear a real diamond. My mothers real diamond was changed out by a TRUSTED jeweler. My daughter caught it... it ended up being a CZ and my daughter was a gemologist living in another state at the time. And then there was the incident that my mother was pushed down, roughed up and her diamond was stolen... her necklace. And in my case I was washing dishes, hit my engagement ring hard against the sink.. broke off a piece .. I kid you not and then I put it away and it was later stolen by someone in the house to repair something. So I decided at that point ENOUGH..
Insurance would cover all those incidents. All my fine jewelry, purchased or inherited is insured for replacement value. Diamonds, by the way, will burn to nothing in a house fire. Scary thought, but does happen.
@Shanus My jewelry is all insured but now after 20 years with nothing happening I'm thankful, but geez, I've spent a lot on insurance. The nature of the beast lol. Still not as much as just my wedding set so I guess I'm still ahead.
07-05-2017 08:48 AM
Years ago, for some assorted unimportant reasons, I bought a few "bridal sets" as TSV's on the Q. They are all in heavy 14k gold settings, at least 20 years old, and the CZs have never been scratched nor have the gotten cloudy.
I love them and wear them all the time, interchangeably, with my 3 small diamond rings, which I ALSO enjoy.
I often receive compliments about them and always say "Thank you" if I do.
Moissanites? I've never liked them. I used to look at them and think how happy I was with my CZs. They may be different now, but I have plenty so I don't look any more.
If I'd been more sophisticated when I got engaged I would have had a beautiful CZ wedding set and been just as happy with it as I am with my diamond.
07-06-2017 01:08 PM - edited 07-06-2017 01:20 PM
That's a sad story about your diamond breaking. However, it happens when buying a diamond with inclusions. Too often people buy diamonds without knowing what they are purchasing. This is so important to educate yourself and shop only with a trusted GIA professional jeweler in your area who will stand behind his/her stones.
I would never buy a diamond from a chain store or big box store. Take classes in diamonds and colored stones. Ask questions. Don't assume all stones are the same. Like you, my dad also had a large, flashy stone. But it had an inclusion. He hit it while changing a flat tire. Like yours, it also broke. Years ago, people didn't know to buy for quality. He bought it for sparkle and size. It was a lesson well learned.
He taught us to be picky about the stones we want. Ask for VVS (very, very slight) . . . never settle for VSI which means very slight inclusions. The range of SI is often sold - do NOT touch them! A knowledgeable jeweler will educate anyone buying a diamond and show you the difference. He/she will compare two or three stones under a microscope for you to view and inspect. The difference is amazing!
Same goes for the color of the stones. D is, of course the best money will buy. It is also out of most price ranges. Consider E through G if possible. These stones will disperse the most vivid brightness. I have inherited a couple of H stones, which are pretty but do not sparkle as well.
Be sure to ask about the girdle (seriously!) of the stone. Some stones are too thick; others too thin. Ask about the pavillion. Ask about the dimensions. The cutting of the stone makes a huge difference in the fire and brilliance given off by the stone . . . espeically depending upon the cut (round, princess, oval, etc.)
In short, the jeweler must be able to provide a full GIA appraisal listing a "map" of all feathers, inclusions, or unique marks to your stone. Each stone is like a fingerprint. The appraisal helps to identify the stone if lost or stolen. Many already have a SN included on the stone. Appraisals should be done peridically for insurance reasons and to update the stone for possible nicks or chips along the edges (if set with only four prongs).
This is a very short tutorial. Go to the library and read about diamonds if you need in-depth information. There is a wealth of information! Once you begin, you will be hooked! PS: Information on-line is OK, but not as in-depth as necessary when purchasing a quality stone. It's your money. Most of the information on-line is posted by chain store jewelers.
I still love a real diamond. Can spot a Diamonique and other synthics a mile away. Once you've taken a few classes and/or looked through a loupe, you know the real deal. Mine have been gifts for special occasions, as well as inherited pieces. Not anything I purchase on whim or as investments.
07-07-2017 12:33 PM - edited 07-07-2017 12:34 PM
Personally, I love the sparkle and color a beautiful natural gemstone gives off. Since I am unwilling to pay tens of thousands for a real one, I enjoy created gemstones. It just isnt that big of a deal to me to be able to say its real. I have some pieces but to tell you the truth, I dont even wear them. What good is jewelry you dont wear?
I grab for the others because if they are lost or stolen, it isnt a huge deal. Did you know that the "tradition" of a diamond engagement ring as well as the standard rule for purchasing one (three months salary now, I believe) was originally created as an advertisement by De Beers?
07-07-2017 12:55 PM
@BirkiLady wrote:That's a sad story about your diamond breaking. However, it happens when buying a diamond with inclusions. Too often people buy diamonds without knowing what they are purchasing. This is so important to educate yourself and shop only with a trusted GIA professional jeweler in your area who will stand behind his/her stones.
I would never buy a diamond from a chain store or big box store. Take classes in diamonds and colored stones. Ask questions. Don't assume all stones are the same. Like you, my dad also had a large, flashy stone. But it had an inclusion. He hit it while changing a flat tire. Like yours, it also broke. Years ago, people didn't know to buy for quality. He bought it for sparkle and size. It was a lesson well learned.
He taught us to be picky about the stones we want. Ask for VVS (very, very slight) . . . never settle for VSI which means very slight inclusions. The range of SI is often sold - do NOT touch them! A knowledgeable jeweler will educate anyone buying a diamond and show you the difference. He/she will compare two or three stones under a microscope for you to view and inspect. The difference is amazing!
Same goes for the color of the stones. D is, of course the best money will buy. It is also out of most price ranges. Consider E through G if possible. These stones will disperse the most vivid brightness. I have inherited a couple of H stones, which are pretty but do not sparkle as well.
Be sure to ask about the girdle (seriously!) of the stone. Some stones are too thick; others too thin. Ask about the pavillion. Ask about the dimensions. The cutting of the stone makes a huge difference in the fire and brilliance given off by the stone . . . espeically depending upon the cut (round, princess, oval, etc.)
In short, the jeweler must be able to provide a full GIA appraisal listing a "map" of all feathers, inclusions, or unique marks to your stone. Each stone is like a fingerprint. The appraisal helps to identify the stone if lost or stolen. Many already have a SN included on the stone. Appraisals should be done peridically for insurance reasons and to update the stone for possible nicks or chips along the edges (if set with only four prongs).
This is a very short tutorial. Go to the library and read about diamonds if you need in-depth information. There is a wealth of information! Once you begin, you will be hooked! PS: Information on-line is OK, but not as in-depth as necessary when purchasing a quality stone. It's your money. Most of the information on-line is posted by chain store jewelers.
I still love a real diamond. Can spot a Diamonique and other synthics a mile away. Once you've taken a few classes and/or looked through a loupe, you know the real deal. Mine have been gifts for special occasions, as well as inherited pieces. Not anything I purchase on whim or as investments.
I have my GIA and if you purchase a diamond with a GIA cert, you can buy it even in Costco. The industry rarely if ever, unless custom made pieces, put VVS in small goods with pave or diamonds of less than ten points.
In regard to the girdle of a diamond, a "natural" in the diamond can be an issue if located there. Hit it the wrong way and the diamond chips and needs to be re-cut with loss of weight.
As far as color, there is an enormous difference in price between a D and a G. To the untrained eye, it probably saves the consumer quite a bit of money. Also, the cut of a diamond is paramount. An ideal cut in a VS 1 with a G color will far outshine a VVS1 with a D color that isn't well cut.
I disagree about all simulants. QVC sells emerald cuts that are amazingly almost the same ....rounds ...to the naked eye, only the larger ones I can spot but small ones I would need a loupe.
07-07-2017 03:03 PM
@Shanus wrote:
Maybe shouldn't have copied such a long quote. An interesting read and good points made for CZ engagement rings. Here's my personal take: My diamond was purchased 49 yrs. ago on 47th St. (the diamond district) in NY city. It was a ridiculously low price....under $3000 for 2.5 carats. It is now appraised for $32,000. So to me and others who can find a good deal, it's an investment.
49 years ago $3000 was a lot of money.
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