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‎12-20-2017 07:22 PM
@Perkup wrote:
@Cakers3 wrote:
@Perkup wrote:I guess I've become a skeptic about these things. I have a hard time believing their "story". In our area it's so common it seems like an excuse not to work and live off other people. I've seen one of them get into a rather expensive car late in the afternoon. Dubious about their authenticity. I don't donate. If I did, it would be in the form of a hamburger or ???
I'm also getting very skeptical of all the "charities" that call each week to support the police, sheriff's office, firemen, etc. There can't possiblly be that many charities for each one. Overkill IMHO.
I continue to support those charities that pay smaller salaries to their CEO's, etc. DH checked them out several years ago. You'd be amazed at how much goes for the execs and maintaining fancy offices.
@Perkup I knew a woman whose husband tossed her out with nothing but her Cadillac. Nothing. She slept in it for a long time before there was room at the local woman's shelter.
She used to say that people most likely thought she was a scammer.
Without knowing any story, whether they have a nice car or are with a pet or what ever:
Give if you feel it is right to do so.
If not, then don't.
But never assume that a scam is happening "just because" something doesn't fit one's perception of how a homeless person should look.
When a very large, expensive van pulls up and picks up a panhandler from the side of the road, then goes to the next corner and picks up another and travels further into town, picking up a third with a dog you begin to wonder. When you're driving behind them and go all the way into the next little "burb" where they pick up yet a fourth, and IF you have a reasonable amount of intelligence, you can ASSUME that it's a scam. Unless, of course, you want to ASSUME it's just a nice guy who picks up panhandlers just to be a helpful citizen. He's probably getting a large share of whatever money they collect. (Per the police)
I am sure there are stories out there that can excuse or explain almost anything, but I see this almost every day at certain times of the day. I live about ten minutes from a major highway intersection and shopping area. Only the truly naieve could fail to see the difference.
By the way, Cakers, I hope that you helped this woman you knew who had to live in her Caddy. Did you offer her a place to sleep or food? Or money to survive? If I knew someone in that situation she would be sleeping in my guest room.
@Perkup You changed your story-now it's an expensive van going corner to corner picking up all those scammers. Originally it was one person getting into an expensive car.
You want to change your story, that's fine. But don't change it just to counter what I posted. Using words such as "reasonable intelligence" denigrates those who do not assume the worst of every person panhandling. And "per the police" is hearsay on your part-none of us can know if your police have actually said such a thing.
As far as the woman I knew-did I say I knew her at the time of her trouble? No, I didn't. You have no idea WHEN I met this woman or where.
And since you are so sure that an expensive car means a scammer, I tend to doubt that you would have been so trusting that she was not a scammer. After all, if she could afford her Cadillac she must be in the same league as the other "scammers" you are so sure exist on every corner.
So view the homeless as you see fit and I will view them as I see fit. Nobody is twisting your arm to give or to be trusting.
And BTW: Concentrate on your driving instead of worrying about the van stopping at every corner to pick up all those scammers. Kind of like texting while driving.
‎12-20-2017 08:10 PM
Let me clarify a few things for you, since you obviously have an issue with anyone who disagrees with you. I am related to several people in law enforcement, who have confirmed my thinking. The guy in the "expensive" van has been arrested, as have his scammers. I do pay attention to my driving, since I am now 83 and have never had an accident or a ticket, and my phone is off when I am driving. I know what I have seen and thus I am entitled to my opiinion, which stands as stated. I am finished with this ridiculous chat and will no longer respond to your "arguments". Bye. Happy Christmas.
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‎12-26-2017 11:29 AM - edited ‎12-28-2017 06:24 PM
It's a tough call. I can more easily pass a man than I can a woman asking for money.
There's a woman I see now and then who I now give my plastic bottles to, instead of returning them to the recycling center myself. She's happy to turn them in, and I am happy to let her handle my recycling chore. She's doing me a favor.
When I have a full garbage bag of soda/whatever bottles I throw them in my trunk and when I see her, I stop and pop the trunk. She has two dogs and their diet concerns me ... as well as hers.
A lot of people will say "who knows what they do with the money" on threads with this topic .... who knows what anyone does with their money? I say use your intuition. A dollar here and there won't make or break your retirement.
‎12-26-2017 02:12 PM
I will offer to buy a lunch but will not give money. I've seen them too many times go into a Liquor Store. I would do what I can for the needy in material items. If they want to ask for money only then I would deny. So many are making it a regular job these days. Saw a documentary about it and they make more than the average blue collar worker.
‎12-27-2017 02:00 PM
Many people holding signs for money in my hometown seem to be making a long-term job of it. Some I have seen for years, literally. Those I pass by. Our community is very generous with food bank and shelter donations for those in need. Yes, there will be scammers in the mix, but I just go with my heart and instincts and will let the good Lord sort out the scammers later. If I have helped someone along the way, it’s ok if a few take advantage.
‎12-27-2017 03:11 PM - edited ‎12-27-2017 03:14 PM
Veteran's red poppy. (If Op is talking about donations)
This one homeless person here, that everyone knows.
‎12-27-2017 03:27 PM
My husband and I recently saw a homeless man holding up a paper sign asking for help and the next minute bending down to take a sip from his Starbucks coffee cup.
Mercy!
‎12-27-2017 05:08 PM - edited ‎12-27-2017 05:17 PM
St Jude's
I try to send money several times a year, every time I get a mailing from them.
I'm just so grateful that my son was healthy. We knew children that needed treatment for severe health issues at various Children's Hospitals.
I just think there is no better charity than children's health, and they get to me every time I see an ad.
‎12-27-2017 08:51 PM
I rarely see panhandlers in my area, but when I do I will always give them money. I don't care what they do with it, that's on them. I am thankful for what I have and am able to do for others no matter what the situation is. I remember standing in the grocery check out line one day, there was a young woman with her child checking out ahead of me. She bought some canned tuna and since it was solid white instead of the flaked tuna the cashier told her her food stamps would not pay for that. Can you imagine being embarrassed like that! I know some people abuse the system, but I have to believe most people don't and I don't think the gov. should be telling people what kind of tuna they will pay for. Nobody with any kind of self respect wants to be on the public dole and of course scammers and the mentally ill are another story.
‎12-27-2017 11:45 PM
@Regal Bee wrote:My husband and I recently saw a homeless man holding up a paper sign asking for help and the next minute bending down to take a sip from his Starbucks coffee cup.
Mercy!
The coffee could have been given to him. My daughter often gives food or drink to someone homeless, I often see people doing that. She’s also bought cans of dog food for those with a dog.
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