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[sunshine45]

@Isobel Archer 

the police can arrest him if a crime has been committed and under THEIR authority.

the agencies involved in immigration issues can then deal with his other issues under THEIR authority.

[Isobel Archer]

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@sunshine45 wrote:

@Isobel Archer 

the police can arrest him if a crime has been committed and under THEIR authority.

the agencies involved in immigration issues can then deal with his other issues under THEIR authority.

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Not necessarily.  See above post.

[sunshine45]

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@sunshine45 wrote:

@Isobel Archer 

the police can arrest him if a crime has been committed and under THEIR authority.

the agencies involved in immigration issues can then deal with his other issues under THEIR authority.

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Not necessarily.  See above post.

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i was responding to your post, but i am not familiar with the situation so i do need more details or a name maybe?

[mom2four0418]

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@bathina wrote:

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@chiclets wrote:

In Massachusetts if you have a passport you can drive without a license, and having to pass a driving course to learn the rules of regarding how to drive.

Why get a license, or insurance, or whatever when the courts protect them and the citizen is left with the burden.

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Protect who? There are millions of people here who are not citizens. They work here  and pay taxes here. Are we supposed to not let them drive?  Massachusetts has many elite universities and hospitals. Students and researchers come from all over the world to study and work. Is that the "them" you are talking about?

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@bathina wrote:

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@chiclets wrote:

In Massachusetts if you have a passport you can drive without a license, and having to pass a driving course to learn the rules of regarding how to drive.

Why get a license, or insurance, or whatever when the courts protect them and the citizen is left with the burden.

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Protect who? There are millions of people here who are not citizens. They work here  and pay taxes here. Are we supposed to not let them drive?  Massachusetts has many elite universities and hospitals. Students and researchers come from all over the world to study and work. Is that the "them" you are talking about?

The statement about the passport and driving in MA is a LIE.

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[bathina]

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@bathina wrote:
@funinthesunthe police told you she wouldn't answer citizenship questions? Interesting.

Good for her!!  He isn't INS, he was dealing with a traffic accident and he had no reason to inquire about citizienship.  License and registration was all he needed.  

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So why should the police be allowed to ask for a driver's license?  If it's fine to break the law by being here illegally - and you agree that it's no one's business, then why should breaking the law by driving illegally be of concern either?

It's simply an "undocumented" driver.   See how that works.

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Because determining citizenship is not the job of police. Traffic "crimes" are. 

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But apparently being here illegally  means you are not subject to our laws.  

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I have no idea what this means.

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Seriously?  What part of being here illegally is unclear?  We recently had a situation here in VA where the police in dealing with an "undocumented" person in a traffic accident found he also had an outstanding warrent for arrest and a deportation order.  The police officer was suspended for arresting him and turning him over to ICE.

Sounds to me as if this person is not subject to our laws.  

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I'd have to read about this incident before giving an opinion. The police officer must not have followed protocol. We have ICE to enforce immigration. We pay police to enforce other laws. 

On the whole, from what I can see, "illegals" as you call them, immediately lose any constitutional granted rights once they're identified. They are separated from their children, kept for months with no due process and are forced to undergo DNA testing for a database. Seems the scales of "justice" aren't tipping to the side of the "illegals" as you like to call other humans.

[bathina]

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@mom2four0418 wrote:

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@bathina wrote:

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@chiclets wrote:

In Massachusetts if you have a passport you can drive without a license, and having to pass a driving course to learn the rules of regarding how to drive.

Why get a license, or insurance, or whatever when the courts protect them and the citizen is left with the burden.

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Protect who? There are millions of people here who are not citizens. They work here  and pay taxes here. Are we supposed to not let them drive?  Massachusetts has many elite universities and hospitals. Students and researchers come from all over the world to study and work. Is that the "them" you are talking about?

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@bathina wrote:

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@chiclets wrote:

In Massachusetts if you have a passport you can drive without a license, and having to pass a driving course to learn the rules of regarding how to drive.

Why get a license, or insurance, or whatever when the courts protect them and the citizen is left with the burden.

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Protect who? There are millions of people here who are not citizens. They work here  and pay taxes here. Are we supposed to not let them drive?  Massachusetts has many elite universities and hospitals. Students and researchers come from all over the world to study and work. Is that the "them" you are talking about?

The statement about the passport and driving in MA is a LIE.

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Thanks for calling that out.

[Isobel Archer]

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@bathina wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@bathina wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@bathina wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@chrystaltree wrote:

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@bathina wrote:
@funinthesunthe police told you she wouldn't answer citizenship questions? Interesting.

Good for her!!  He isn't INS, he was dealing with a traffic accident and he had no reason to inquire about citizienship.  License and registration was all he needed.  

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So why should the police be allowed to ask for a driver's license?  If it's fine to break the law by being here illegally - and you agree that it's no one's business, then why should breaking the law by driving illegally be of concern either?

It's simply an "undocumented" driver.   See how that works.

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Because determining citizenship is not the job of police. Traffic "crimes" are. 

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But apparently being here illegally  means you are not subject to our laws.  

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I have no idea what this means.

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Seriously?  What part of being here illegally is unclear?  We recently had a situation here in VA where the police in dealing with an "undocumented" person in a traffic accident found he also had an outstanding warrent for arrest and a deportation order.  The police officer was suspended for arresting him and turning him over to ICE.

Sounds to me as if this person is not subject to our laws.  

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I'd have to read about this incident before giving an opinion. The police officer must not have followed protocol. We have ICE to enforce immigration. We pay police to enforce other laws. 

On the whole, from what I can see, "illegals" as you call them, immediately lose any constitutional granted rights once they're identified. They are separated from their children, kept for months with no due process and are forced to undergo DNA testing for a database. Seems the scales of "justice" aren't tipping to the side of the "illegals" as you like to call other humans.

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I didn't call anyone "illegal."  I clearly said they are here illegally.  If someone breaks our laws, they are behaving illegally.  Or are we not allowed to say that anymore?

I also do not understand what "constitutional" rights someone has who is here illegally.

The DNA testing to which you refer has been used to identify traffickers - adults who claim the children they are with are related - when they clearly are not.  But I guess you disapprove of that as well - as traffickers entering illegally  have "constitutional"  rights too.

Sad. 

[bathina]

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@bathina wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@bathina wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@bathina wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@chrystaltree wrote:

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@bathina wrote:
@funinthesunthe police told you she wouldn't answer citizenship questions? Interesting.

Good for her!!  He isn't INS, he was dealing with a traffic accident and he had no reason to inquire about citizienship.  License and registration was all he needed.  

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So why should the police be allowed to ask for a driver's license?  If it's fine to break the law by being here illegally - and you agree that it's no one's business, then why should breaking the law by driving illegally be of concern either?

It's simply an "undocumented" driver.   See how that works.

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Because determining citizenship is not the job of police. Traffic "crimes" are. 

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But apparently being here illegally  means you are not subject to our laws.  

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I have no idea what this means.

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Seriously?  What part of being here illegally is unclear?  We recently had a situation here in VA where the police in dealing with an "undocumented" person in a traffic accident found he also had an outstanding warrent for arrest and a deportation order.  The police officer was suspended for arresting him and turning him over to ICE.

Sounds to me as if this person is not subject to our laws.  

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I'd have to read about this incident before giving an opinion. The police officer must not have followed protocol. We have ICE to enforce immigration. We pay police to enforce other laws. 

On the whole, from what I can see, "illegals" as you call them, immediately lose any constitutional granted rights once they're identified. They are separated from their children, kept for months with no due process and are forced to undergo DNA testing for a database. Seems the scales of "justice" aren't tipping to the side of the "illegals" as you like to call other humans.

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I didn't call anyone "illegal."  I clearly said they are here illegally.  If someone breaks our laws, they are behaving illegally.  Or are we not allowed to say that anymore?

I also do not understand what "constitutional" rights someone has who is here illegally.

The DNA testing to which you refer has been used to identify traffickers - adults who claim the children they are with are related - when they clearly are not.  But I guess you disapprove of that as well - as traffickers entering illegally  have "constitutional"  rights too.

Sad. 

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Sad that you've fallen for the trafficker lie. Read the constitution about the rights granted to all persons on American soil. Why am I not surprised you don't already know?

[Isobel Archer]

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@bathina wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@bathina wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@bathina wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@bathina wrote:

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@chrystaltree wrote:

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@bathina wrote:
@funinthesunthe police told you she wouldn't answer citizenship questions? Interesting.

Good for her!!  He isn't INS, he was dealing with a traffic accident and he had no reason to inquire about citizienship.  License and registration was all he needed.  

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So why should the police be allowed to ask for a driver's license?  If it's fine to break the law by being here illegally - and you agree that it's no one's business, then why should breaking the law by driving illegally be of concern either?

It's simply an "undocumented" driver.   See how that works.

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Because determining citizenship is not the job of police. Traffic "crimes" are. 

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But apparently being here illegally  means you are not subject to our laws.  

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I have no idea what this means.

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Seriously?  What part of being here illegally is unclear?  We recently had a situation here in VA where the police in dealing with an "undocumented" person in a traffic accident found he also had an outstanding warrent for arrest and a deportation order.  The police officer was suspended for arresting him and turning him over to ICE.

Sounds to me as if this person is not subject to our laws.  

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I'd have to read about this incident before giving an opinion. The police officer must not have followed protocol. We have ICE to enforce immigration. We pay police to enforce other laws. 

On the whole, from what I can see, "illegals" as you call them, immediately lose any constitutional granted rights once they're identified. They are separated from their children, kept for months with no due process and are forced to undergo DNA testing for a database. Seems the scales of "justice" aren't tipping to the side of the "illegals" as you like to call other humans.

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I didn't call anyone "illegal."  I clearly said they are here illegally.  If someone breaks our laws, they are behaving illegally.  Or are we not allowed to say that anymore?

I also do not understand what "constitutional" rights someone has who is here illegally.

The DNA testing to which you refer has been used to identify traffickers - adults who claim the children they are with are related - when they clearly are not.  But I guess you disapprove of that as well - as traffickers entering illegally  have "constitutional"  rights too.

Sad. 

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Sad that you've fallen for the trafficker lie. Read the constitution about the rights granted to all persons on American soil. Why am I not surprised you don't already know?

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I am aware of the Constitutional protections.  What I do not "understand" is how sanctuary cities refusal to enforce our laws is now apparently seen as "Constitutional protection."  And if you don't believe there is significant trafficking at the border, I don't know what to tell you.