Community Chat

[momtochloe]

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@tansy wrote:
The idea of a draft just chills my bones. If every person in a certain age group was drafted and there was at least two years' of college provided upon completion of duty, then maybe.

Otherwise, I shudder at the idea of a huge army at the ready for the war hawks

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Tansy, I think the difference is that we always had that in the back of our minds during Viet Nam.  

I personally still cannot believe we invaded Iraq and I think that if the active draft was in place enough people would have risen up and stopped that invasion as many, many more families would have had skin in the game.

[Serena Joy]

I agree with almost all of your observations, except for " being stingy when it comes to investing in education."

My school taxes are $6000 per year, and there are other homes in my community whose taxes are even higher than that. Certain other communities in my county carry average school tax burdens closer to $10,000 per year.  Far from stingy, I'd say.

Investing in education is valuable for us all, and I support it, but that doesn't mean unlimited funding. There are other needs in civil society that must be met as well, and are just as high a priority.

Have a safe and happy 4th!

Serena Joy

[mstyrion 1]

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@sunshine45 wrote:

mystyrion i just had to heart your post AND comment that it is so well said and thought out!

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that is so kind of you to say, sunshine!  

[terrier3]

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@momtochloe wrote:

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Tansy, I think the difference is that we always had that in the back of our minds during Viet Nam.  

I personally still cannot believe we invaded Iraq and I think that if the active draft was in place enough people would have risen up and stopped that invasion as many, many more families would have had skin in the game.

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ITA, mtc.

But a year or two of civil service would be great. Everyone could repair roads, clean up parks, work in clinics or daycare centers...something of service for everyone after high school.

[momtochloe]

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

I don't mean to criticize anyone who thinks today's youth is far worse than any other generation, but...

Don't you need to look to yourselves and your kids, if you are a grandparent ,for the people to blame?

If you really think they are the worst, they learned it from someone. Is that someone you?

If you say, my kid is different. I raised them right. Don't you think that every parent says the same? It simply can't be that every kid but yours is a loser.

I don't believe this is the worst generation ever.  Different thought processes go with societal change. My generation was miles away from the Depression-era and WW2 era generations that came before me. That's the way life works.

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I couldn't agree with this more.  I have far more problems with people my age because we should KNOW better.  I can still hear my parents guidance in my ears and I know my peers hear the same.   Why we decided to leave it to someone else is beyond me.

I have a lot of faith in this next generation, I truly do.  Lots of good things coming out of their thoughts and efforts.  I applaud them and thank them for carrying the torch!

[lulu2]

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@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:

Very true!  I remember, in elementary school, being graded for citizenship.  Times have surely changed. 

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In some schools citizenship is still important.  Our middle granddaughter (just turned 7) received a Citizenship Award at the EOY assembly.  Our Lilly is the sweetest and kindest child.  She has a host of physical problems, most stemming from her lack of muscle tone. (she did not walk until she was almost 2)  Most physical activities have taken her twice as long to master with twice the effort.  Despite the fact she is usually last finishing everything, she possesses the compassion and empathy many adults lack.

Lilly was the outstanding citizen in her grade level.

[brii]

the high shcool my kids attend require a minimum of 10 service hours each school year.  Most kids exceed that amount. 

It's imporant that kids give back. 

[cherry]

I didn't volunteer I was raising 2 children at a young age. WE brought them up to be responsible caring adults. My son was a pettty officer on a sub for 9 years. My daughter is a police officer

My bil who was a marine helped fight  fires in Cal when he was in the service. There are many ways the military can serve in peaceful functions

My son got his masters degree on the GI bill

[sunshine45]

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brii wrote:

the high shcool my kids attend require a minimum of 10 service hours each school year.  Most kids exceed that amount. 

It's imporant that kids give back. 

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in our school district once you hit middle school, each student is required to perform no less than 75 total service learning hours in order to graduate. we did not have this requirement growing up.

[Shorty2U]

Even though I see it here where I live in my neighbors. ( "adult" people who are very unfriendly  and all about themselves).

I can "not" say that about my children and grandchildren.

My children worked hard since they're 14 with paper routes all the way up to now @ their adult jobs.

They are also kind and considerate and join in for walks for cancer and heart disease. They are selfless, not selfish.

Same with my grandchildren. They are all honor students and do good deeds and walk for cancer and heart disease too.

My oldest granddaughter just helped with Special Olympics at her school at the end of the year, and stayed up all night walking many miles around a track to raise money for cancer. She just got her first job too this Summer (while in between 11th and 12th grade). She works very hard at school and her job!

I have a bad back and my 3 grandchildren come here so many days a week (now the older one is here less being she has a job) But they all helped me and continue to help me with chores I can no longer do. My grandchildren also have responsibilies at home too.

So not everyone is a spoiled entitled brat. Its how you raise them.