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[sidsmom]

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@MarcyG72wrote:

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@sidsmomwrote:

....but Parkland had armed personnel, so...

How’s that working?

Oh, wait.

The armed guard at Parkland did NOT enter the building when hearing gunshots .... duh.

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Scot Peterson was a School Resource Officer (Deputy), a police officer.

[Cakers3]

3 other deputies arrived at Parkland and took positions behind vehicles.  Scot Peterson initially thought that the shooting was outside the school.  I'm not defending him but he wasn't the only one "following training and protocol".

One person on patrol that fateful day would not have assured that nobody would have been killed, including Peterson.

[Sooner]

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@RainCityWomanwrote:

I will say to this the same as I said before: as a teacher, I would not work at an institution who armed their staff. It would destroy the dynamic of the classroom and the student/teacher connection, and does not guarantee that any kind of safety for all would be achieved, particularly not against an AR-15. Contrary to some faulty thinking, arming everyone does not mean no one gets killed. It just means there's more potential for more to be killed, particularly innocent bystanders. School kids don't need to be in an armed fortress waiting for their teachers to get in a shoot out with some deranged individual. 

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@RainCityWoman  The Constitution gives you rights and others rights and that could be a long hard fight.  Of course you can't guarantee security.  However, having been in a house one night where someone was trying to break in (in college, guy actually lived in the house next door but was three sheets to the wind and didn't remember), and having nothing more lethal than a toaster, I can tell you what a LONG time it was before the police arrived and how desperately helpless we felt.

I can transfer that to an 12 year old in a classroom. I vote for a police officer on site at every school ready to call for backup the instant he hears gunfire, and to run to protect those kids until backup gets there.

You can only try to disuade anyone wanting access to a gun.   Won't do a thing for anybody when a shooter gets inside.  Or someone with a knife, or a bomb threat, and on and on and on. 

[kitcat51]

@RoughDraft@ I have the rifle & handgun  for my use, it's legal & needs no futher explanation to anyone. There are lots of guns that can do more damage in a closed area than a AR-15 & once you start banning weapons where does it stop? There are many ways to harm dozens of people at once...car, truck, bombs. All you have to do is look around to see how immature, & irresponsible so called adults are....I see it everyday with friends families & as a hospital volunteer. If your decision is not to have a gun, I respect that. We having different opinions so we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

[RoughDraft]

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@kitcat51wrote:

@RoughDraft@ I have the rifle & handgun  for my use, it's legal & needs no futher explanation to anyone. There are lots of guns that can do more damage in a closed area than a AR-15 & once you start banning weapons where does it stop? There are many ways to harm dozens of people at once...car, truck, bombs. All you have to do is look around to see how immature, & irresponsible so called adults are....I see it everyday with friends families & as a hospital volunteer. If your decision is not to have a gun, I respect that. We having different opinions so we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

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@kitcat51

Nowhere have I stated that all weapons should be banned and nowhere have I stated that it is my decision to not have a gun.  I've worked in a hospital setting all my adult life and I know and have seen what these weapons can do.

Now that these issues have been settled, I do agree with you that there are many immature and irresponsible adults who are roaming the planet and that is the problem.

[GingerPeach]

There's lots of talk about how no one can stop a determined shooter.

I think many of us would actually agree on that.  

None of that agreement, however (to whatever degree it actually exists), means we should stop trying to institute thorough background checks, limit access to military weapons, and allow teachers to teach and students to learn without also having to feel as if they were in an armed camp surrounded by marauders.

[RainCityWoman]

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@Soonerwrote:

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@RainCityWomanwrote:

I will say to this the same as I said before: as a teacher, I would not work at an institution who armed their staff. It would destroy the dynamic of the classroom and the student/teacher connection, and does not guarantee that any kind of safety for all would be achieved, particularly not against an AR-15. Contrary to some faulty thinking, arming everyone does not mean no one gets killed. It just means there's more potential for more to be killed, particularly innocent bystanders. School kids don't need to be in an armed fortress waiting for their teachers to get in a shoot out with some deranged individual. 

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@RainCityWoman  The Constitution gives you rights and others rights and that could be a long hard fight.  Of course you can't guarantee security.  However, having been in a house one night where someone was trying to break in (in college, guy actually lived in the house next door but was three sheets to the wind and didn't remember), and having nothing more lethal than a toaster, I can tell you what a LONG time it was before the police arrived and how desperately helpless we felt.

I can transfer that to an 12 year old in a classroom. I vote for a police officer on site at every school ready to call for backup the instant he hears gunfire, and to run to protect those kids until backup gets there.

You can only try to disuade anyone wanting access to a gun.   Won't do a thing for anybody when a shooter gets inside.  Or someone with a knife, or a bomb threat, and on and on and on. 

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I stand by what I said. As a teacher, I would never work in a school where teachers are armed. Quite franksly, the teachers I worked with who had guns would have been the last people I'd want armed in my school. Period. I would support security officials at a door with metal detectors, etc. and only one entrace into and out of the school, but as far as guns all over the place, NO! The Constitution by its wording does not even guarantee every man, woman and child a gun, let alone putting guns in school buildings, etc. I worked at a gun free zone school which meant mandatory felony to anyone who came on campus armed, if you want to talk about rights.

[cherry]

The world has changed ,and not for the better, since I was in school

Kids didn't have access to firearms, when I was young, and many men owned a gun for protection, or sport, back in the day.

People weren't screaming it's my right to  own a weapon, because, there was very little crime with children having weapons. Guns weren't in the fore ground, they were in the background.

Our streets weren't battle grounds, nor were our schools. Bobby Kennedy remarked after Jack was shot, that Oswald released something in this country ,when he shot Jack

I have thought about this a lot, and it seems like from this point, we did become a more violent nation

[Kalli]

I’m a recently retired elementary teacher.  After Columbine we had drills often, training us to lock our doors at first sign of gun violence, turn out lights and hide our students out of sight. It worked as long as the gunman didn’t get into your room and as long as you didn’t open your door to allow any stray students in. 

One inservice day local law enforcement participated in the mock drill using devices that were LOUD and sounded like the real thing. We’d locked ourselves inside the classrooms as violence was taking place in the halls. Kids(actors) were banging on the doors begging to be allowed in, screaming that the “gunman” was coming, crying, and then begging for their lives while one by one they were executed. It really sounded like the real thing. It was so hard to listen to that even though we knew it wasn’t real.  It felt real.

Our last training session before I retired we trained in a new approach. The new training was to go down fighting. Yes-Lock door, Push tables, teacher desks, up against the door. But if the door is breached, rush the gunman, throw, toss, jam anything you have at him. (Brooms, student desks, chairs) He’s looking for no resistance and trying to inflict the most casualties as quickly as possible so he can move on. There will be casualties but a few may survive and if nothing else, you’ve slowed his progress as the police are hopefully on their way. 

That’s the purpose of the rocks in each classroom. It’s actually a strategy that is better than huddling in a corner waiting to die. Research has shown that the gunman does not expect this kind of resistance.  And if nothing else it may allow the students in the next room to survive. 

[kitcat51]

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@RoughDraftwrote:

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@kitcat51wrote:

@RoughDraft@ I have the rifle & handgun  for my use, it's legal & needs no futher explanation to anyone. There are lots of guns that can do more damage in a closed area than a AR-15 & once you start banning weapons where does it stop? There are many ways to harm dozens of people at once...car, truck, bombs. All you have to do is look around to see how immature, & irresponsible so called adults are....I see it everyday with friends families & as a hospital volunteer. If your decision is not to have a gun, I respect that. We having different opinions so we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

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@kitcat51

Nowhere have I stated that all weapons should be banned and nowhere have I stated that it is my decision to not have a gun.  I've worked in a hospital setting all my adult life and I know and have seen what these weapons can do.

Now that these issues have been settled, I do agree with you that there are many immature and irresponsible adults who are roaming the planet and that is the problem.

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Honestly...I didn't say you decided not to have a gun, I said  IF your decision is not to have a gun & as far as accusing YOU of banning all weapons, no I said once you start banning weapons where does it stop. I think my reply to you was kind & there were no issues to settle. Guns can be used for evil & used to stop evil...it depends whose hands it's in.