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I wanted to get feedback about LTC insurance.  I currently have it and I've been paying into it for about 20 years.  I recently received a notice about a price increase (I have had other price increases over the years) and it started me to thinking.  Do I really need this?

 

I'm single, 73 and live with my daughter. Should I become disabled either physically or mentally I don't want my daughter saddled with me just because I live with her.  I do have two other children that live close.  I originally took out this policy so I wouldn't be a burden on my family.

 

But, if I stop paying now I lose all the money I already put into it.  Does anyone else have LTC and what are your thoughts?  Have you made any kind of arrangements for when you can no longer live in your house?

 

Interested in your replies.

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Re: Long Term Care Insurance

My pharmicst always asks those w/LTC insurance where are you going if you need to go somewhere? Most retirement homes have a long waiting list. You should get on a list. Or at least go round and do a few interviews. 

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Re: Long Term Care Insurance

I look at it this way, you are paying $XXX.XX a month for how many thousands of dollars a month for care.

 

We have two married sons and a married daughter.  Love our children and their spouses and I know they love us.

 

But there is no way I want them to have to *care* for me (and it can be in-home care also--even in their homes).  I do not want them to have to bathe me or dress me under any circumstances. 

 

I'd feel much better if it was up to a paid professional, I have no qualms about nurses or aides doing their job.

 

I'd feel terribly self conscious if I were in that position I had to depend on a loved one for those types of situations. 

 

My husband feels exactly the same.

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Re: Long Term Care Insurance

My mom has it, and sometimes is sorry she did, because now at age 91 she has not had to use it (knock on wood).    She wants to be able to leave something behind for us kids.

 

It's like with any insurance. Would you be sorry if your house never burnt down and you never used your fire insurance?  Insurance = gamble.  


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Re: Long Term Care Insurance

I absolutely think you should keep it.  My friend's mother had LTC insurance and was able to live in one of the nicest Assisted Living's in town for seven years before she died.  I think it's a great idea.


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Re: Long Term Care Insurance

My husband and I have it and I wouldn't think of giving it up.

 

We have no children, and, even if we did, I would NOT want them to have to care for me under any circumstances.

 

Insurance is something you hope you never have to use.  I just don't think about what we spend on it.  If I die and never have to use it, that's fine with me.

 

If I suddenly need it, I'm going to be happy that I had the presence of mine to buy it.

 

If I were you, I would not ever give it up if you can afford it.

 

 

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This is difficult to cover without details and more details.  I had X company for ten yrs or more = $2K per yr premimums.  LTC suddenly made news, people dropping out - cost would be going up.  My original policy with GE was sold to X, so I did a search about X and financially they weren't very sound.  Decided to drop X and glad I did.  Preminums were jumping up $$ every billing cycle - What's with that?  Also I read many reviews how elderly people had paid in for decades and when it was time for help - policy holders were denied for some wild reasons -X  didn't like the facility policy holder chose - too expensive,etc.  I remember reading about one woman 90 plus and she couldn't get a dime out of X.  If I were you - I'd do more research and decide what's best for you.  Good Luck!

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Re: Long Term Care Insurance

I also have LTC -  for close to 20 years now.  My reasons for having it have not changed all that much.  In my case, I do not have family to help me and I hope hope to be able to age in my own home as long as possible.  At this point there are very, very few government programs that assist those of us who want that, so that's my main reason for continuing to pay the premiums.

 

That said, @Winkk, when my company raised my premium big time a few years back, they also gave me a choice of continuing to pay for the same benefit raise I'd already been paying for, or to lower the percentage, or even to eliminate paying for a raise in the daily benefit.  My decision was to lower the percentage which cut the amount of my premium raise in half.  Should they raise the premium again and also give me choices whether to compound the daily benefit, I'm going to pay just for whatever is the current benefit at the time.  Hopefully, all this will do what I need.

 

And if I never use my LTC?  I'll be okay with that -  having it gives me peace of mind and not having to use it will mean I never was so fragile I couldn't care for myself for the most part.  To me, that feels win-win.

 

 

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Re: Long Term Care Insurance


@Peaches McPhee wrote:

My mom has it, and sometimes is sorry she did, because now at age 91 she has not had to use it (knock on wood).    She wants to be able to leave something behind for us kids.

 

It's like with any insurance. Would you be sorry if your house never burnt down and you never used your fire insurance?  Insurance = gamble.  


My parents have been paying for it for over 20 years.  They are in their 80's but still very active/travel, etc. 

 

But the amount they've paid all these years is equivalent to a couple rounds of golf a month.  My dad always points that out.  (They don't golf, but watch it on TV and go to PGA tournements)

 

They're spending money that could alleviate us having to spend money in the event of them needing care.  Money can go very quickly. 

 

It may be viewed as a gamble, I think it's good planning.

 

I'd never heard of it until my mother told me about it.  I didn't think too much about it afterwards.  Until I hit my 50's and was told it would be cheaper for us to get it sooner than later.

 

I haven't had an increase and I have to be honest I cringe when I get my yearly premium notice.  But, until I'm paying thousands of dollars a month for same thousands of dollars of month for coverage, I'll continue to pay.

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Re: Long Term Care Insurance

Long term care insurance is very expensive.  When I worked for a health insurance company, they offered it to me at a discount with a promise that the cost would neve go up, but at the time it was still too expensive, so I passed on it.

 

Medicare will cover a skilled nursing facility for 20 days at 100%.  Days 21 to 100 covered but you will have to pay $164.50 coinsurance for each day.  After that your 100 days are expired and you are responsible for the total cost.  A family member of mine used 92 days last year, so she was close to running out of days.  

 

If you are out of the SNF and hospital free for 60 days, you will get all of your used SNF days back and restored.

 

Many people have a Medicare supplement that will cover that $164.50 for up to 100 days, so there first 100 days are covered at 100%.

 

Now, if you need to go to a nursing center and your care is not considered skilled care meaning you are not getting wound care, physical or occupational therapy, etc. your Medicare will not cover this admission.

 

Also, if you require help at home with cooking, dressing and bathing, Medicare will not cover this either.

 

So, if you have long term care insurance, it probably will cover skilled care beyond the first 100 continued days, custodial care in a facility and at home.

 

if you do not have long term care, how much money do you have to spend if you need care? ( Ask yourself, don't tell me). If and when you run out of money either because you do not have any savings left or your long term care insurance ran out, you can be covered by Medicaid.  You will need to liquidate your assets first.... like I sell your home if you own one and use up your savings.  They do allow you to prepay your funeral expenses, but they will take your SS and pension checks to defray the cost for your care.

 

Only you know if you need it or not.  I wish I had it, especially because I am married and I am counting on my DHs income.  If he or I need care, what happens then?  The other one of us needs the home to live in.

 

Because you are single, and I am guessing don't own a house, you don't have this worry.  Your children could lose the inheritance of your savings and life insurance.  But they will never be responsible for your bills personally if you lose your estate by going on Medicaid.

 

My MIL lived in an old house and didn't have much in the ways of savings.  She spent 7 years in a nursing facility because of Altzheimers.  She had a little cash while in there $30 a month from SS I think, I could be wrong. Her children paid for her clothing and for her to get her hair done.  When she passed, there was no estate.  If she would have passed at home, her estate would not have been worth too much anyway.

 

The family paid for her funeral expenses.

 

Personally, I think it is a wonderful insurance to have, especially if you need to use it.  Most people don't have it because of the cost and they seem to do okay too. The government takes care of them.

 

You have a big decision to make.  Maybe you can discuss this with your children and see how that feel about it. 

 

I can can tell you that the price will continue to rise on this type of insurance.