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[QueenDanceALot]

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@Kachina624 wrote:

@QueenDanceALot   Indeed that is my opinion.  They are paid more than they're worth.

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Well, I'll just have to sit on my paws right now.

[Puppy Lips]

Our business barely held on after 9/11.  It was a slow come back with major adjustments, but we made it.  That is when I started with the company.  I remember very well getting numerous phone calls from collection agencies.  That was very upsetting, and it looks like we are headed that way again.  UPS freight has already sent us to collection.  I suspect many more will after they return to work and take a look at their accounts.  Not looking forward to that.  Given that this virus is a lingering problem that seems to have no end in sight, I just don't think we are going to make it out this time with this company.  Our personal assets are protected, so no worries there.

[noodleann]

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@Kachina624 wrote:

@QueenDanceALot   Indeed that is my opinion.  They are paid more than they're worth.

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@Kachina624, you cannot pay people what they're worth unless you're a life insurance company. People are priceless. They may receive more compensation for their work than you approve of, but it's one of those what-the-market-will-bear situations. Now that there is no work of that sort, the person in question has to see whether her skills apply in an area that's still employing people and try to get work there, or she needs to be retrained.

[Pook]

"They have been spoiled by excessively high wages, meaning they earn more than their education and skills should demand."

 Spoiled??  WOW!!

Pay should be more for how hard they work and not education!  Food service work is one of the lowest paying and in most cases hardest work.  They have to deal with some of the most rude demanding customers who can never be satisfied and many rely on tips to survive.  Many with educations and skills could not do that type of work as too hard!!

[CelticCrafter]

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@Kachina624 wrote:

@suzyQ3    I consider $15+/hr for a fast food worker or more (tips) for a restaurant worker to be more than their skill level, education and level of responsibility would dictate.  That cigar bar worker was a prime example.

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Fast food workers, i.e. McDonalds, Burger King, etc. do not make tips.  

Servers in NJ make a whopping hourly wage of $3.13.  

[aroc3435]

@noodleann   I have young friends and one much older/senior type gentleman who work at one of these establishments in my former home town in Connecticut.  

A cigar bar is a business where you can legally smoke a cigar, and in some, a pipe or cigarettes, indoors at the establishment while enjoying alcoholic beverages.

Some also offer a light food and specialty coffee and tea menu, along with special event wine and liquor tasting events.  They typically sell high end cigars, and pipe tobacco and cigarettes.

Most employees in this industry do not work an eight hour five days-a-week schedule, so her income is probably not as high as you are projecting.

These places are very popular with smokers who increasingly have been forced to NOT smoke in restaurants, or bars in most states.  Very popular since for many adults who smoke they like to have their adult beverage in hand and not have to slink outside to have a hurried puff or two and then run back inside to have a drink.

Hope this helps.

aroc3435

[CrazyDaisy]

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@Puppy Lips wrote:

Our business barely held on after 9/11.  It was a slow come back with major adjustments, but we made it.  That is when I started with the company.  I remember very well getting numerous phone calls from collection agencies.  That was very upsetting, and it looks like we are headed that way again.  UPS freight has already sent us to collection.  I suspect many more will after they return to work and take a look at their accounts.  Not looking forward to that.  Given that this virus is a lingering problem that seems to have no end in sight, I just don't think we are going to make it out this time with this company.  Our personal assets are protected, so no worries there.

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And people will call you selfish for wanting the economy to come back so you can earn a living.

[Kachina624]

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@CelticCrafter wrote:

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@Kachina624 wrote:

@suzyQ3    I consider $15+/hr for a fast food worker or more (tips) for a restaurant worker to be more than their skill level, education and level of responsibility would dictate.  That cigar bar worker was a prime example.

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Fast food workers, i.e. McDonalds, Burger King, etc. do not make tips.  

Servers in NJ make a whopping hourly wage of $3.13.  

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@CelticCrafter   I think my statement makes it clear that I'm aware of that.  Servers in NJ also do make tips, which can be substantial.

[Porcelain]

Congrats guys.  America just drew the pandemic game card marked: "Massive safety noncompliance! Move back one Phase." Because people (not the posters here) keep throwing meltdowns and refuse to wear their masks. They don't care if it means others get laid off. The economy won't recover until the people do. So we will play this stupid game until everyone starts following the rules to the phases.

[suzyQ3]

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

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@Puppy Lips wrote:

Our business barely held on after 9/11.  It was a slow come back with major adjustments, but we made it.  That is when I started with the company.  I remember very well getting numerous phone calls from collection agencies.  That was very upsetting, and it looks like we are headed that way again.  UPS freight has already sent us to collection.  I suspect many more will after they return to work and take a look at their accounts.  Not looking forward to that.  Given that this virus is a lingering problem that seems to have no end in sight, I just don't think we are going to make it out this time with this company.  Our personal assets are protected, so no worries there.

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And people will call you selfish for wanting the economy to come back so you can earn a living.

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@CrazyDaisy, I didn't get any of that from her post -- just sadness about her business. No need, in any case, to try to forment controversy where it doesn't even exist.