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these southern locales aren't prepared for such bad weather and driving conditions---it isn't reasonable for cities, etc to invest in sand trucks, snow plows --and who would buy snow tires at $1000 each? I think their best move would be to close the highways (we do this in CO occasionally) and have people stay home when this type of weather is forecast--
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On 1/30/2014 Ismilealot said:

Well, they may need to invest in more salt trucks through the DOT. First and foremost, drivers have to know their limitations and NOT go out in such conditions if they aren't able to navigate in it.

I know what you're saying but most people were at work and everyone left to go home at about the same time. The roads just are not designed for everyone to be on them at the same time. Rush hour here starts at about 5:30 in the morning and lasts till 7:30 at night. This same thing happened here in 1982, but Atlanta's population wasn't what it is today. We had Snow Jam '82. It hit suddenly. It took my sister 9 hours to get home from work. Well, she never made it home. She walked the last mile on foot to my parent's condo. That was 32 years ago. Those of us who have lived here that long still talk about it. People who weren't here then just roll their eyes when we do. Now people will talk about snow jam 14. And no one who went through '82 would have thought it would ever happen again. But people don't have great memories and it did.

In my opinion, the schools should have been closed here- all day. They close for everything. Every time I turn around, the kids are out of school. Early release day for this, off for that. But they use this day to draw a line in the sand. No, by gosh, we're having school today. Absolutely ridiculous. They start school at the beginning of August and they're out in mid-May. How about building a few more snow days in there and go later in May. So, the schools should have been closed.

Then you have the private businesses. Atlanta is a huge city, when you consider the suburbs, spread over several counties, all with different political officials, hundreds of miles. Not everyone works in downtown Atlanta and not everyone lives close to their place of employment. So, most companies did early release and that clogged the roads in the burbs in addition to the gridlock everyone has seen on the national news on the city's highways.

The politicians are now talking about staggered release for the businesses. Most businesses aren't going to pay attention to that just as a lot of them probably didn't pay attention today that we had a state of emergency till noon and we were asked to stay off the roads till then. They're going to do what they want to as are most people. Some just don't pay attention and think the rules are for someone other than them.

The politicians in the city and surrounding counties absolutely knew the forecast unless they slept several days straight going into this. I am weather obsessed and watch the local channels as well as The Weather Channel. Everyone and their brother knew well in advance that we were going to get something. They first said it would be a mostly southern Atlanta event, with the Northern suburbs getting a dusting and that it would start at about 9 in the morning. I paid no attention to that. Too close for comfort for me. Very early Tuesday morning, like 4 AM, the Winter Storm warning had been extended further north to include Atlanta and the suburbs. PLENTY of time to declare a state of emergent and cancel the schools then. But they didn't do it. I'm an extremely organized person. So, I planned for a big event several days ahead. Scheduled doctors appointments accordingly. Went grocery shopping two or three days before and was made fun of by friends for doing so. We brought firewood in from the driveway to our garage the day before. We filled both cars up with gas. Well, we haven't left the house in 3 days and we haven't run out of anything, so my friends can go ahead and make fun.

I'm always amazed by the lack of preparedness by some people. I was on Facebook today on one of the storm groups. Someone was lamenting that they were totally out of bread and when, oh when, would the grocery stores have more. I have very little sympathy. Unless you've been feeding people who were stranded in your neighborhood that caused your supply to dwindle unexpectedly or you didn't have the money to buy groceries, why on earth did you not plan ahead of time and have everything you need. How could you possibly not have enough supplies. This wasn't a surprise to us.

After storms like this, I always do a sort of post-mortem for our household. What did we do right at our house. What could we have done better. What supplies did we run low on. Is our battery supply good. How about the firewood, medications. And that's what the city and all the surrounding counties hopefully will do now.

We have salt and sand trucks. But you're talking hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of miles of interstates, state, county and back roads. Those trucks can't be everywhere at once.

And you've all seen the footage of the traffic on the interstates and all the tractor trailers. Those trucks are from all over. How do you stop them from coming into the city and contributing to the gridlock.

I apologize for the rambling post on the storm in general, but I do want to make one comment to the OP, who said she was inclined to laugh this off initially when she thought it was "just" snow.

A 14 year old girl who was helping her sister move her mother's car, which she'd had to abandon the other day, had one of her legs severed below the knee today, when another car lost control on the ice and hit her. Doctors are trying to re-attach her leg. What is funny about other people's misfortunes, whether it was snow or ice? It made you feel better to find out that it was ice and not just snow, but our situation here wasn't funny, even if it had been snow. I know what you meant by your statement and I'm not really upset by it, but there was really nothing to scoff at with what happened to our city. People were stranded on the roads for hours and hours, overnight, some for two days. People ran out of gas, had medical issues, had no food. It's not funny.

I grew up in Boston and New Jersey. The snow events we get here aren't like the Northern snows. We usually always get a thin layer of ice just under or on top of the snow. On the national news, it looks like we can't drive in two inches of snow. It's always the ice that causes the problem.


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Didn't we have that same problem here in Atlanta in 2010 or around that time? The schools were closed for a week. We would never be prepared. The weird thing is I was looking for a snowplow to clean our streets then I realized I don't live in New York and New Jersey any more.

Wish I had a shovel to clear my driveway. Home Depot is my next stop when it all clears up. Guess I was not prepared.

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Yes, it was hard to believe under 3 inches of snow could cause such a problem. BUT when you add ice to the equation, that's a whole different ballgame. In addition, according to the news tonight, the roads were pre-treated but it wasn't done with enough time to allow that mixture to dry, so it didn't work.

Here in PA when ice is in the forecast, schools cancel. Back in December they cancelled and the storm took a different track and missed us altogether. You'd have thought someone committed a heinous crime as school officials caught a major ration of you-know-what for that mistake. Yet, if they'd not have cancelled and ice had come, folks would've been equally mad. You can't win for tryin'. People live for the opportunity to blast our local school officials here.

-Kalli

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not salt--mixtures of sand and de-icers-salt is hard on cars and roads
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On 1/30/2014 Kalli said:

Yes, it was hard to believe under 3 inches of snow could cause such a problem. BUT when you add ice to the equation, that's a whole different ballgame. In addition, according to the news tonight, the roads were pre-treated but it wasn't done with enough time to allow that mixture to dry, so it didn't work.

Here in PA when ice is in the forecast, schools cancel. Back in December they cancelled and the storm took a different track and missed us altogether. You'd have thought someone committed a heinous crime as school officials caught a major ration of you-know-what for that mistake. Yet, if they'd not have cancelled and ice had come, folks would've been equally mad. You can't win for tryin'. People live for the opportunity to blast our local school officials here.

-Kalli

Yep, I feel for the Superintendents, they are danged if they do and danged if they don't when it comes to making decisions on closing. Somebody is ALWAYS going to give them grief when they get it wrong. We've lost our weather days . . . maybe it is time to add them back in and then when it comes time to use them out of an abundance of caution, then so be it . . . and IF we don't need them . . . then 3 day weekends in April or May to use them up. Smiley Happy

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"Snowjams" are really pretty much business as usual once or twice a year here in the South. We don't get much snow here -- maybe one or two usually minor snow events per season -- so we don't have snow tires, tire chains, snowplows, etc. like Northerners who have to deal with snow on a regular basis, Also, many of our drivers aren't experienced in driving on snow and ice. Most municipalities do have trucks that can spread sand and salt on bridges and the worst-affected intersections, but NO WAY can they cover all the territory, and smaller roads, subdivisions, etc. are never treated. And Atlanta is built on rolling HILLS.

One thing that made this situation worse is that weather forecasts had predicted that most of the snow would pass south of metro Atlanta, and instead it covered the city. We weren't dealing just with fluffy snow; stretches and patches of black ice made driving impossible. People went to work and school as usual and nobody realized till too late that serious snow and ice were developing -- and then too many people got on the roads at the same time. A few slips, slides, and accidents were enough to totally stop the clogged roads, and things got worse exponentially from there. Sand trucks and rescue trucks couldn't even get through the mess. Moral of the story? If it starts to snow in Atlanta, STAY HOME.

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Wonder what is going on at the airport? My son's flight was cancelled but he was bumped to an earlier one..........

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Living in southern WV my entire life, I am used to severe weather for at least 4 months of the year. Our state road vehicles are out at the first signs of a weather system, and they work non-stop to treat roads for safer travel. Residents here are used to driving in bad weather, but at the same time, we do heed state warnings to stay off the roads unless absolutely necessary when we are under severe weather advisories.

My heart went out to all southern residents who were placed in a situation they were not prepared for. I was touched by many of the stories that resulted from the kindness of strangers, and I was quite impressed with the governor of Georgia stepping up and taking responsibility for not issuing the warnings necessary to help the residents. A government official publicly saying he's taking the responsibility instead of pointing fingers and trying to lay blame on others, just isn't what we normally see and hear. He truly seems like a man of character, and the type of human being worthy of being called Governor.

Due to all the strange weather occurrences we are dealing with across this country, I think we need to look at these incidents and make the decision to try to be better prepared for whatever comes our way. I was not at all impacted by the chemical leak into the water supply several weeks ago, but because I am on public water, I realize there could be a time my water supply might become contaminated, and I am taking measures to be sure we have a potable water supply on hand. Because of the frigid temperatures this area of WV has dealt with in the last few years, we buy extra food in the event we are not able to get out for days or weeks, and also ensure we have plenty of wood on hand if we need to utilize our back up heat. We invested in a whole house generator to also help with an alternate power supply for when we have outages; which we have learned can be at any time of the year. While I don't have control over many things that might impact my family, we have made some changes that can help us tremendously in severe situations.

Continued prayers to all of our southern neighbors who were affected by this surprise storm.

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Maybe the Atlanta airport is still recovering, his flight took forever to take off.