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Puzzle Piece · ‎06-29-2010

@VaBelle35 wrote:
This hits close to home for me as an HR person and working in employment law, this is the reason we recommend taking all complaints seriously (and why these things are confidential and most of all don't talk to the media). This person had a troubled work history before workign at this station, which was alluded to by the station manager. When he arrived at the station, he started making complaints. He clearly didn't feel his complaints were being heard. The station manager's tone in discussing this isn't helping the station and is building a very solid case for the families and the woman from the Chamber of Commerce to sue the station for their part in all of this.

Where is the station's lawyer? My corporate lawyer would be on oxygen right now if she knew employees were going on tv discussion his HR complaints and EEOC complaint.

And now the EEOC will have to weigh in since the station manager characterized the complaint outcome as unsubstantiated. The media will be all over the EEOC trying to find out what happened and what turned in up their investigation. The media can get this through an FOIA request, so they best come out with it now and get in frotn of it.

Last year we had a former disgruntled LAPD officer go nutcakes and take lives. He filed reports on what he felt were justified issues. He was dismissed and went ballistic. You can't always know what folks are going to do - even a police officer. Remember, the media likes the sensationalization and spin. No respectors of persons.

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VaBelle35 · ‎03-10-2010

But it's not necessarily mental illness

When you have reached the end of your career (and I would submit that men do value their self-worth based on their careers and career success), and you feel you have nothing to lose, you don't necessarily think clearly.

And it's very easy to say to yourself, this is how I'm going out. Like the guy before me.

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chickenbutt · ‎03-09-2010

Well said, Biancardi.

What gets me about this kind of thing, beyond the obvious reality-based 'causes' of the problem is just the pure repugnancy of having to take out other people before you shoot yourself. That is so beyond narcisisstic and cruel.

If somebody wants to kill themself, that's their business. It's their body. Knock yourself out (I get it). But the need to kill others, usually completely innocent people, first is so horrid that I don't even think I have the right words.

VaBelle35 · ‎03-10-2010

His 23 page report detailing all of the wrongs done to him will probably be very telling of his state of mind.

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June222 · ‎06-15-2015

@Jackaranda wrote:
A lot of people leave their employment on bad terms but they don't kill co workers. Only the people with mental issues do.

He had anger issues about being treated poorly (as he put it) :Being a Gay, Black Man.

This anger issue also caused him problems in past jobs that he left or was let go from.

Cats3000 · ‎10-07-2013

We ignore it? Only when it is in an unusual situation. How about the daily gun violence in the black communities of most large cities. That's what we ignore.

What would you recommend that we do about it? Would you like to try a new version of Prohibition? Remember what the original created in the 20's and 30's? It created the "Speakeasy", The "Bootlegger" and more crime than you could have imagined.

VaBelle35 · ‎03-10-2010

@chickenbutt wrote:
Well said, Biancardi.

What gets me about this kind of thing, beyond the obvious reality-based 'causes' of the problem is just the pure repugnancy of having to take out other people before you shoot yourself. That is so beyond narcisisstic and cruel.

If somebody wants to kill themself, that's their business. It's their body. Knock yourself out (I get it). But the need to kill others, usually completely innocent people, first is so horrid that I don't even think I have the right words.

When a person is in incredible pain, they want others to feel as bad as they do.

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biancardi · ‎03-10-2010

@VaBelle35 wrote:
But it's not necessarily mental illness

When you have reached the end of your career (and I would submit that men do value their self-worth based on their careers and career success), and you feel you have nothing to lose, you don't necessarily think clearly.

And it's very easy to say to yourself, this is how I'm going out. Like the guy before me.

well said - it is too easy to blame everything under the "catch all " umbrella of mental illness. Mental illness is a real issue and it is diagnosed. It shouldn't be used as an excuse for everything.

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chickenbutt · ‎03-09-2010

VaBelle35 wrote:
chickenbutt wrote:
Well said, Biancardi.

What gets me about this kind of thing, beyond the obvious reality-based 'causes' of the problem is just the pure repugnancy of having to take out other people before you shoot yourself. That is so beyond narcisisstic and cruel.

If somebody wants to kill themself, that's their business. It's their body. Knock yourself out (I get it). But the need to kill others, usually completely innocent people, first is so horrid that I don't even think I have the right words.
When a person is in incredible pain, they want others to feel as bad as they do.

Hmmm...thanks for giving me something to think about, VaBelle. I cannot connect with that yet but I'm going to mull it over.

I have PTSD and severe clinical depression. I have attempted suicide a number of times in the past. Maybe I've had momentary thoughts that I'd like to kill my mother. But I never took it beyond a fleeting thought. I guess I can see the sentiment, to a degree.

For me, I guess a lot of it is this - it's not so wrong to kill yourself but it is REALLY wrong to kill a person, from whom you are not having to defend yourself or somebody else. These are usually innocent people who didn't even cause their despair so I guess that's where the break is for me.

Thanks for helping me get my brain going this morning. I was having a hard time engaging, probably due to lack of sleep and - well, stuff.

Drythe · ‎07-09-2011

@chickenbutt wrote:
Well said, Biancardi.

What gets me about this kind of thing, beyond the obvious reality-based 'causes' of the problem is just the pure repugnancy of having to take out other people before you shoot yourself. That is so beyond narcisisstic and cruel.

If somebody wants to kill themself, that's their business. It's their body. Knock yourself out (I get it). But the need to kill others, usually completely innocent people, first is so horrid that I don't even think I have the right words.

Well said indeed. Thank you.

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