Three Hours!!!!! - Page 5

ChynnaBlue · ‎05-22-2012

@fortune wrote:
I'm skeptical about the Orlando police story that they got to the Pulse Nightclub a little after 2 a.m. and ALL the shooting from the suspect took place in that time period.

They said after it became a "hostage situation" for the next THREE HOURS, there was NO shooting by the suspect while he was holed up in the bathrooms. I heard interviews with some of the victims who were in the bathrooms. One said that the shooter put his gun over the top of the closed bathroom stall and shot into the victims huddled there. Other victims told similar stories of shooting taking place in the bathrooms.

Why didn't the SWAT team go back there and get the perpetrator. I can't believe that they were "talking to him" for three hours and that there was NO shooting during that time. That's just not true!!! I think the police were afraid that there were more shooters and that they had a bomb. Why do they have to lie about the situation!!!

Before we continue, could you please take a moment to tell us of all your hostage negotiation experience? I'd like to know how many hostage events you've been involved in, how many buildings you decided to breach to rescue people, and how many people you've rescued.

Because if you're going to tell me that I should trust your gut and not the people who've undergone training, who were actually there, and who have done this kind of thing before, you are going to need to give me very good reasons.

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Marp · ‎03-09-2010

@Carriestp; a gigantic THANK YOU for your well verbalized recounting of the events. I find logical thinking combined with reason and common sense among the most admirable traits a person can have and your post shows you have all in spades.

What is good for the goose today will also be good for the gander tomorrow.

Lipstickdiva · ‎03-10-2010

@fortune wrote:
@Peaches McPhee wrote:
This is a perfect example of jumping to conclusions. Why not wait for the full report to come out? Maybe some of your questions will be answered by that.
The police spokesperson at the news conference said that the suspect didn't shoot any more after he was chased by police to the bathroom area. It then became a "hostage situation" for three hours. The victims in the bathrooms (who lived) described how the shooter reached over the closed door of the bathroom stall and shot blindly at the people huddled inside. I heard what I heard.

I heard that as well but are you sure they are talking about the same situation?

Is it possible the gunman went into the bathroom, shot over the bathroom stalls and at that time, police hadn't arrived yet or didn't have him contained? Then he exited the bathroom and was chased back in by the police?

pitdakota · ‎03-16-2010

@Marp wrote:
@Carriestp; a gigantic THANK YOU for your well verbalized recounting of the events. I find logical thinking combined with reason and common sense among the most admirable traits a person can have and your post shows you have all in spades.

ITA @Marp about @Carriestp's post!

I will also add that early that Sunday morning when I was watching the news I was struck by the video of officers and others loading the injured into undercover pickup trucks to take to the hospital. I knew that was because the ambulances were overwhelmed and they were getting the wounded to the hospital quickly any way they could.

Also heard a witness talk about how he helped another person that had suffered 3 gunshot wounds. Officer loaded that wounded individual into the bed of the pickup truck and told the guy to get on top of the other person and stay there for the ride. It would apply pressure to the gun shot wounds in the back while the officer drove to the hospital. Smart thinking in a crisis situation on the part of that officer!!

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Shorty2U · ‎03-09-2010

I don't believe it either. Because, I saw screen shots of the text messages from that one young man texting his Mom that he was in the bathroom and was going to die and the texts went back and forth and were time stamped up to (approximately) an hour! Yes it is the terrorists fault what he did to those people but I have to wonder what took so long for help to go in?

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pitdakota · ‎03-16-2010

@Shorty2U wrote:
I don't believe it either. Because, I saw screen shots of the text messages from that one young man texting his Mom that he was in the bathroom and was going to die and the texts went back and forth and were time stamped up to (approximately) an hour! Yes it is the terrorists fault what he did to those people but I have to wonder what took so long for help to go in?

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@Shorty2U this was during the time he was telling law enforcement that he had explosives and it was a hostage situation. They did not storm the bathroom because of his threats of explosives.

The earliest reports I heard were that they were also fearing a suicide vest. At this point, they were trying to talk him down and assess the situation. They didn't know what might be going on. And I am sure they were thinking about the movie theater shooter that had booby trapped his apartment with explosives, and other international attacks that included suicide vests. No telling what was going on in their minds. But they were the ones on the scene and had established communication with him and knew what he was threatening.

There is no way I would personally second guess them. What if the guy did have an explosive vest on and detonated it once they tried to storm the bathroom? They were between a rock and a hard place. Not a decision I would want to make.

* Freedom has a taste the protected will never know *

KingstonsMom · ‎03-09-2010

@Marp wrote:
@Carriestp; a gigantic THANK YOU for your well verbalized recounting of the events. I find logical thinking combined with reason and common sense among the most admirable traits a person can have and your post shows you have all in spades.

@ Marycooks

@I completely agree, that's an excellent post by @STP Carrie!

You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have.

magicmoodz · ‎03-16-2010

Until the facts are on the table, frankly I find the OP and certain contributing posts offensive on so many levels. It is best I sit on my hands instead of responding in the manner I would like.

I do, however, want to express my appreciation to @STP Carrie and @pitdakota for their intelligent, articulate and informed posts based on fact not some meaningless supposition.