My simple solution re: traffic stops... - Page 18

terrier3 · ‎03-10-2010

On 4/11/2015 scotttie said:
I have to say Terrier, you make up all kinds of excuses for the Boston Bomber, "he's just a teenage stoner" but yet you beat up on someone who is simply trying to sort out all the details when a police officer is involved. The police officer is not allowed his day in court but the Boston Bomber is a teenage stoner. ${#emotions_dlg.blink}$

I made no excuses for the Boston Bomber...he WAS a teenage stoner (and petty dealer). That's a fact. Since when are people who smoke weed all peaceful and law abiding???

I believe he deserves the guilty verdict he received...a LOT of which was based on video footage (like the SC case).

Lila Belle · ‎01-24-2013

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:
On 4/11/2015 terrier3 said:
On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:
If this is directed at me, then show me where I stated it was his total fault he is dead. I did not. From the beginning I have said, he <em>shares</em> in the responsibility of the events that took place, and he initiated them. He exacerbated them by running, and not following the directions of the officer.

So sorry that it didn't work out for him, and it happens like that everyday in all kinds of situations not related to law enforcement. Life isn't fair, and even though we didn't do enough wrong to justify it, we get hit with things in a way bigger proportion than is fair for our input into the situation. Makes you think, that maybe we should think before we do, and just plain stand up, when we know we're busted, take responsibility for where we are with the situation, and not make it worse.

Even the man's own father said he thinks he ran because he didn't want to go to jail, he'd been there and didn't want to go back. Let's see, go to jail, or risk, in light of what is going on with these situations, make a move that could lead to death?

Nope, he didn't have long to assess the situation, try to decide how to proceed, or what the long term consequences might be with every available option. Neither did the cop.

He shares nothing.

The officer was 100% responsible for shooting an innocent man. He broke every rule in the police handbook. We don't live in a police state. They have to follow the law too.

The officer had the man's license. Even if he had a child support warrant, the police knew where he lived, they had his car and he could have been picked up later. I don't think the officer even knew about the child support - it happened too quickly.

My earlier point exactly. Why run? They had you to rights. They were going to get you on this (maybe, if the warrant wasn't served, then they were probably having trouble finding him) now or later. Stand up, be a man, and live up to your responsibility then and there. The officer in dash cam video was calm and respectful. Why run?

He CHOSE to run. He took the risk all on his own accord. I didn't see anyone egging him on. He made a stupid move and paid for it with his life. Did he pay too high a price? Of course he did, but the bottom line still remains, he made choices, clear back to what caused the issuing of the warrant. He initiated, way back then, the chain of events that ended in his death. He made choices at each point along the way. He bears some responsibility. Period.

Scott chose to run.

Slagle decided to murder him.

Period.

scotttie · ‎03-09-2010

On 4/11/2015 terrier3 said:
On 4/11/2015 scotttie said:
I have to say Terrier, you make up all kinds of excuses for the Boston Bomber, "he's just a teenage stoner" but yet you beat up on someone who is simply trying to sort out all the details when a police officer is involved. The police officer is not allowed his day in court but the Boston Bomber is a teenage stoner. ${#emotions_dlg.blink}$

I made no excuses for the Boston Bomber...he WAS a teenage stoner (and petty dealer). That's a fact. Since when are people who smoke weed all peaceful and law abiding???

I believe he deserves the guilty verdict he received...a LOT of which was based on video footage (like the SC case).

Yah. sure.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

I've been letting this thread 'marinate' before responding. mominohio is spot on.

This case is broken down into two parts:
Part 1 - Scott being stopped
Part 2 - Slager shooting

Part 1: Scott was a criminal. He owed $18,000+ for child support...wrong. He doesn't have registration or insurance on the car...wrong. He briefly gets out of the car...wrong. He flees the scene...wrong. Scott's actions were wrong.

Part 2: Officer Slager shot Mr. Scott. The WORLD agrees this was wrong.

Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right. Unfortunately someone is dead & a small Carolina town might have another 'Ferguson' on their hands.

I'll be curious to hear Officer Slager's defense. Did he think Mr. Scott was armed? As LE, Scott's actions clearly state he could be dangerous. I'm almost as concerned it took LE eight shots to bring down a fleeing suspect...those bullets could've hit anyone (like the kid filming). If anything, Slager should be off the Force for that reason alone.

I've been reading a lot of national blogs, websites & comment sections about this trying to see both sides....and have been unsuccessful. No one, repeat, NO ONE is siding with the police officer. Continually posting on this forum 'can't imagine how she can defend the officer' makes said posters look....silly! BUT...those that want to expand their minds & intelligently assess current news stories, let's talk...mominohio!!

melfie · ‎09-28-2014

On 4/11/2015 sidsmom said:
I've been letting this thread 'marinate' before responding. mominohio is spot on.

This case is broken down into two parts:
Part 1 - Scott being stopped
Part 2 - Slager shooting

Part 1: Scott was a criminal. He owed $18,000+ for child support...wrong. He doesn't have registration or insurance on the car...wrong. He briefly gets out of the car...wrong. He flees the scene...wrong. Scott's actions were wrong.

Part 2: Officer Slager shot Mr. Scott. The WORLD agrees this was wrong.

Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right. Unfortunately someone is dead & a small Carolina town might have another 'Ferguson' on their hands.

I'll be curious to hear Officer Slager's defense. Did he think Mr. Scott was armed? As LE, Scott's actions clearly state he could be dangerous. I'm almost as concerned it took LE eight shots to bring down a fleeing suspect...those bullets could've hit anyone (like the kid filming). If anything, Slager should be off the Force for that reason alone.

I've been reading a lot of national blogs, websites & comment sections about this trying to see both sides....and have been unsuccessful. No one, repeat, NO ONE is siding with the police officer. Continually posting on this forum 'can't imagine how she can defend the officer' makes said posters look....silly! BUT...those that want to expand their minds & intelligently assess current news stories, let's talk...mominohio!!

This is why people don't participate in these discussions. Words get twisted around too easily.

Lion · ‎03-09-2010

Given the increasing number of cases we're finding out about where people have done nothing wrong (didn't run, didn't pull a weapon) but still got beat up and/or killed by LE, there's no reason to believe this man wouldn't have been hurt or killed by this cop even if he hadn't run.

Which brings up another issue, that blacks view LE very differently than most of us because of their experiences. They have legitimate fears of LE, as we're learning more about almost every day now.

There have been cases where LE hurt people just because they didn't like something said to them.

There are legitimate reasons why many have a problem with the premise that his running was partially responsible for his death.

It's not because we're not reading what's actually posted or not understanding it.

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Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

On 4/11/2015 scotttie said:
Mominohio, I really, really think that adrenaline kicked in with the guy who ran. You are right, when stopped by an officer anyone should be careful to do exactly as they are told. However, I would hope that police officers are trained to be aware of the "adrenaline" factor in those they stop and take that into account when they pursue.

I really hope it turns out that there was more to the story because it is devastating to think that this officer would shoot that man down in the back for no more reason than his own adrenaline kicked in.

Our police officers are our own lifelines in emergencies and they put their lives on the line every day. However, in this case it does appear that this officer did not follow protocol (getting backup first) and now he himself is going to suffer the consequences as well as the dead man.

One wonders how much ongoing training police officers receive. I know that where I live there are many various departments where there are officers who have no business with a badge.

Most are silent heroes I bellieve however and God Bless them.

scotttie, I agree with you. I, too, hope there is more to the story than we know now. And it does look very bad for the officer. If he did, what people here seem to believe he did, with no more provocation than we see, it is truly a tragedy. But I still am perplexed by the dash cam/citizen video stark differences. And so quickly, too. The man who ran made poor choices, and the officer very well have done the same. But there and I will continue to believe that there is blame in both camps.

As to officers in general, every time this happens, two things happen. It makes it harder for good officers to do their job, and their jobs become more and more dangerous to do. It also leads current officers, and those future ones, who would be good, to ask, why should I do this. Why should I put myself out there for others? That will hurt us all.