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[muttmom]

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

While he put himself in the position he was in, that does not give anyone the right to shoot him in the back, then try to stage his death scene.

[Linders Back]

On 4/10/2015 muttmom said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

While he put himself in the position he was in, that does not give anyone the right to shoot him in the back, then try to stage his death scene.

And not not only stage the scene but not try to do anything to save the victim after he shot him. He claimed he did CPR on the victim (before the video surfaced) but all he did was just stand over him and watch him die.

Hopefully, the man who shot the video won't face the same fate as the one in Staten Island. I think he may be better off as a lot more people are watching how this one plays out.

[SydneyH]

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

I know you believe what you are saying, but honestly at the end of the day nobody forced this nutbag to gun this poor soul down. I will not shame the victim in this case, I just can't...

[RainCityGirl]

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

On 4/10/2015 SydneyH said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

Shaming and demanding personal responsibility for one's actions are not the same. The victim mentality in this nation is out of control, and sometimes things end badly because of it.

Respectfully, the onus for 'personal responsibility' lies completely with his MURDERER, sorry.....

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

It escalated because the officer made a choice. There were many other ways to handle the situation, especially since he had the guy's name and the car. The officer had no rational reason why he shot a man for a broken tail light and a delinquent child support record, particularly since he fired 8 shots at the man's back. That officer didn't even enter into pursuit. He just stood there and fired, and then tried to recreate the details. A good officer would have known what to do and no one would be dead. STOP BLAMING THE DEAD PERSON and put the blame where it belongs. This officer is a scourge to all of the conscientious, honest, skilled law enforcement officers out there.

[SoX]

On 4/10/2015 SydneyH said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

I know you believe what you are saying, but honestly at the end of the day nobody forced this nutbag to gun this poor soul down. I will not shame the victim in this case, I just can't...

Someone saw fit to delete my post to her ... so I'll just agree with you, Sydney.

I bet the cop who shot the irresponsible victim felt the same way as the mominohio.

[RainCityGirl]

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

On 4/10/2015 SydneyH said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

Shaming and demanding personal responsibility for one's actions are not the same. The victim mentality in this nation is out of control, and sometimes things end badly because of it.

Respectfully, the onus for 'personal responsibility' lies completely with his MURDERER, sorry.....

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

You could then say the same thing about the officer. He had several choices for handling this traffic stop. He chose to pump eight bullets at the man. Now HE is getting the consequences. Period.

[Lion]

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

He didn't deserve to DIE because he ran away. That's the point.

Should he have run away? No. Did he deserve to DIE for it? NO.

No matter that he ran or why, he was NOT a threat to the officer, nor a thread to anyone else, so there was NO reason for the officer to shoot him in the back and kill him.

[Plaid Pants2]

So it was the victim's own fault that he was killed. The victim has no one to blame except himself for having been shot.

Now, I think I have heard everything.

Just because one has outstanding warrants against them, does not mean that they should be shot in the back as they try to flee the scene.

What that officer did is indefensible.

There is NO justification for what he did.

None.

And for anyone to think that there is, just boggles the mind.

[mistriTsquirrel]

On 4/8/2015 terrier3 said:

Instead of stopping cars for broken brake lights, cracked windows, etc.....

How about MY simple solution -

Just get their license plate number, enter it into the in-car computer, and issue a ticket to their homes automatically.

This wouldn't apply to speeding or erratic driving...just simple things like expired plates, broken lights, etc.

It will save LE time, make money for the city and keep everyone - citizens and police - a lot safer.

Yes...people with expired plates and broken lights are the scourge of our times.

[gkelly]

On 4/10/2015 RainCityGirl said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

On 4/10/2015 SydneyH said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

Shaming and demanding personal responsibility for one's actions are not the same. The victim mentality in this nation is out of control, and sometimes things end badly because of it.

Respectfully, the onus for 'personal responsibility' lies completely with his MURDERER, sorry.....

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

It escalated because the officer made a choice. There were many other ways to handle the situation, especially since he had the guy's name and the car. The officer had no rational reason why he shot a man for a broken tail light and a delinquent child support record, particularly since he fired 8 shots at the man's back. That officer didn't even enter into pursuit. He just stood there and fired, and then tried to recreate the details. A good officer would have known what to do and no one would be dead. STOP BLAMING THE DEAD PERSON and put the blame where it belongs. This officer is a scourge to all of the conscientious, honest, skilled law enforcement officers out there.

absolutely right, SydneyH & RainCityGirl....the officer is trained for this type of situation, there are so many different ways he (the officer) could have handled it but no, wait, let's gun this guy down in cold blood...in the back!! wow!! NO ONE deserves what happened to this guy for a broken tail light & past due child support??? can't believe mominohio!