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[gkelly]

On 4/10/2015 muttmom said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

While he put himself in the position he was in, that does not give anyone the right to shoot him in the back, then try to stage his death scene.

no justification at all in this case!!

[Mothertrucker]

I got a ticket "by mail" last year- "red light camera" style-I was delivering truck, in a part of the Valley I was unfamiliar with, following my driver, and made a right turn, right behind him-

A couple weeks later, a letter arrived to my house, there was a picture of me behind the wheel, the front and back of my car showing license plates and a ticket for $375

From the letter, it was hard to understand what exactly the ticket was for, but I looked up the vehicle code # and part of the sign that showed in the picture, and evidently from 3- 5 pm there is no right turn against red in that spot-

Now, i might have driven that same route daily for those two weeks it took to receive that ticket, and I might have made this same infraction every day, since the sign as one of 5 stacked and very unclear (still, obviously I disobeyed the law) but my point is, ha]d a cop pulled me over and explained to me what I had done wrong, while writing my ticket, there is no CHANCE I would have done it again..

So the letter really hinders the immediate deterrent effect of the ticket, which is, after all, what they are trying to accomplish, right? safety on the roads?

[Lila Belle]

Cameras and the citation Mr. Scott got for his tail light are revenue generating sources for local police depts.

[Mominohio]

On 4/10/2015 muttmom said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

While he put himself in the position he was in, that does not give anyone the right to shoot him in the back, then try to stage his death scene.

That may well have happened, but I'd not convict the cop yet, as no one has the right to do that either, just the jury and the legal process. We are all assuming that he 'staged the death scene. At this point even the videos aren't telling the whole story, and those stringing the cop up before his due process are just as bad as he is for what he did.

[Mominohio]

On 4/10/2015 SydneyH said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

I know you believe what you are saying, but honestly at the end of the day nobody forced this nutbag to gun this poor soul down. I will not shame the victim in this case, I just can't...

I don't shame him either. When scared we all might try to do the same. But, it doesn't change the fact that he helped to create the situation in which he found himself. He wasn't totally without responsibility in how it all played out.

[Cakers1]

Watching the whole video this officer was polite during the conversation. Why it had to go so terribly wrong is beyond comprehension. It just didn't make sense; he was reasonable and professional then all of a sudden he's shooting at a person running away.

It just didn't make any sense to me why he took that action.

[scotttie]

n/m

[Mominohio]

On 4/10/2015 RainCityGirl said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

On 4/10/2015 SydneyH said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

Shaming and demanding personal responsibility for one's actions are not the same. The victim mentality in this nation is out of control, and sometimes things end badly because of it.

Respectfully, the onus for 'personal responsibility' lies completely with his MURDERER, sorry.....

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

It escalated because the officer made a choice. There were many other ways to handle the situation, especially since he had the guy's name and the car. The officer had no rational reason why he shot a man for a broken tail light and a delinquent child support record, particularly since he fired 8 shots at the man's back. That officer didn't even enter into pursuit. He just stood there and fired, and then tried to recreate the details. A good officer would have known what to do and no one would be dead. STOP BLAMING THE DEAD PERSON and put the blame where it belongs. This officer is a scourge to all of the conscientious, honest, skilled law enforcement officers out there.

You can't be sure about the pursuit part, I'm not anyway. From reports I've seen, I think there is some laps in time between dash cam and the citizen filming, and should that be correct, even just seconds, what happened during that time?

Stop refusing to blame all parties concerned here, and just cop bashing.

This cop may indeed be as horrendous as you all think, and he may have done everything wrong. And he may indeed be guilty of murder. But the man who was shot didn't do everything right. He bears some responsibility for where he is, and all the 'hand up, don't shoot' rhetoric won't change that fact. Even if he didn't deserve such a terrible outcome, he contributed to it happening.

[scotttie]

On 4/11/2015 Cakers1 said:

Watching the whole video this officer was polite during the conversation. Why it had to go so terribly wrong is beyond comprehension. It just didn't make sense; he was reasonable and professional then all of a sudden he's shooting at a person running away.

It just didn't make any sense to me why he took that action.

That's what is so puzzling. The guy was running away. There are very few scenarios where shooting someone in the back would make sense.

This guy's problem legally now is that he lied about what happened (his report was disproved by the video). Any exaplanation he comes up with now will have trouble being believed.

[Qwackertoo]

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:

On 4/10/2015 SydneyH said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

I know you believe what you are saying, but honestly at the end of the day nobody forced this nutbag to gun this poor soul down. I will not shame the victim in this case, I just can't...

I don't shame him either. When scared we all might try to do the same. But, it doesn't change the fact that he helped to create the situation in which he found himself. He wasn't totally without responsibility in how it all played out.

It is sorta like the "driving while stupid" when teens or even adults text and drive and get themselves killed or others also killed in the process. That one little text that probably was insignificant and could have waited may have cost themselves and other innocent people their lives.

Or college girls who drink to excess "drinking while stupid" and get themselves killed in the process. Too many turn up missing and their remains are found weeks & months later.

And in this case "running from the police while stupid" . . . NO the policeman should NOT have shot him while posing no great threat to himself or the public. But he did. And the man is now dead. And the policeman's life is pretty much over as a free man.

I think that is sorta maybe what mominohio is getting at. Maybe.