Murder Suspects Turn Themselves In - Page 7

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@moonandthestars wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@catter70 wrote:
Their defense will probably be that they are too young to know what they were doing. Bull. Hope they are tried as adults. It's like there is a bunch of wild animals roaming the streets anymore, but I think wild animals don't kill" just because".
You want a 10 and 14 year old tried as adults? No. Their brains have not fully developed. I wish more people would educate themselves on this issue instead of just having knee jerk reactions. There is a way to punish the children, yes they are children, involved without writing them off forever?

@liliblu It seems their souls have not fully developed. They acted with nonchalant cruelty - like sociopaths. Are they redeemable? Maybe not. This man was beaten to death by a group of kids just for kicks. They really seemed to have fun. How do you fix that?

I am grateful to know people who work in this space. They have seen kids that many of you would write off as "gargoyles" or "monsters" become productive citizens. They don't beleive in throwing children away. Have their children they have not been able to help? Yes. But most can be. It takes time and care but they can be helped. They have seen many good kids make the wrong choice. But that does not mean they cannot be rehabilitated or redeemed.

I worked with children for several years. What some of our young people have to endure would break your heart. We claim to value life in this country. We need to ask what that really means.

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@stevieb wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@stevieb wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@eadu4 wrote:
This happened at 3 am. A 10 year old and 14 year old out at 3 am. I think that tells you all you need to know about their parents (if there are 2 parents at home) And it tells you all you need to know about their parenting "skills". The fact these 2 were on the street at 3 am and commited cold blooded murder says all you need to know about the 2 of them. Regardless of any "horrors" they may have seen at home, these two are most likely not going to change but rather wind up with more future contributions to a rap sheet. They will not get any significant punishment and will most certainly be out on the street again in no time. Sadly we have almost become numb to violent crime like this and with very little actual punishment that fits the crime anymore. This is disgusting and happening more frequently. It will be interesting to see what the charges are and the outcome of any trial.
These are children. They are not irredeemable. It is this kind of attitude that is hurting our country. They will be punished but they probably fell into group or hive mentality. No thought was involved.

I hope there are consequences for the parents. Children this age have no business outside at 3 am.

Oh for the love of heaven, they. beat. an. old. man. to. death.

Enough with the excuses. I don't care how bad their parenting, (though yes the parent or parents should be prosecuted along with the little gargoyles they've spawned) or other factors that no doubt will be cited. As a society we simply can't keep looking the other way and trying to explain away sadistic, barbaric, criminal behavior, no matter the age of the criminals that perpetrate it.
I am not excusing what these children (not gargoyles) did. But how we punich and deal with children should be different than how we deal with adults. We don't allow 14 year olds to drive, drink alcohol, vote, or sign contracts. Why? Their brains are not fully developed. They do not think through the consequences of their actions. I can bet that they did not think they could kill a person with a traffic cone. They will be punished but they are not irredeemable monsters.

We'll agree to disagree. I don't personally care whether their brains are fully developed or not... Any and all of them are old enough to know that you don't beat someone for no good reason... Certainly, most of us know that before the time we enter school and most children do know there are consequences to bad behavior... Tell you what, you 'redeem' these precious children, I'll protect myself and steer clear. As far as it goes, in my opinion, this oh so understanding mind set is a big part of the problem.

I will do what I can. I know people who do work with "these precious children". I've heard their success stories and of the failures (more success than failure). I thank God for people with such empathy and compassion. They are the people who are really making this a better world.

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@stevieb wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@candys mine wrote:
I don't remember things being THIS bad 3 years ago. I really don't.
America is a violent country. We celebrate violence in this country. Grown adults assaulted uniformed officers as pushed and fought their way into the U.S. Capitol. Sandy Hook elementary was the scene of a mass shooting in 2012. The Columbine mass school shooting happened in 1999. This is a country where lynchings used to occur on a regular basis. This isn't new. We just better access to information now.
Yes, it is a violent country and it's getting more violent and along with other actions that need to be taken to curb violence and to curb the media, we need to stop turning the other way when people of all ages act out and stop seeking reasons to explain away bad behavior.

Understanding why something occurs is not explaining it away. No one is saying the children should not face consequences. How they are punished should take their age into account. It should take the circumstances of their life into account.

We tend to ignore our societal problems until something like this occurs. There are solutions but no one wants to fund those solutions. It shows what we value. I say America does not value children or life.

PickyPicky3 · ‎10-22-2018

The 14-year-old girl reported to police at 11:00 am.

Lucky Charm · ‎03-09-2010

@liliblu wrote:
@stevieb wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@candys mine wrote:
I don't remember things being THIS bad 3 years ago. I really don't.
America is a violent country. We celebrate violence in this country. Grown adults assaulted uniformed officers as pushed and fought their way into the U.S. Capitol. Sandy Hook elementary was the scene of a mass shooting in 2012. The Columbine mass school shooting happened in 1999. This is a country where lynchings used to occur on a regular basis. This isn't new. We just better access to information now.
Yes, it is a violent country and it's getting more violent and along with other actions that need to be taken to curb violence and to curb the media, we need to stop turning the other way when people of all ages act out and stop seeking reasons to explain away bad behavior.
Understanding why something occurs is not explaining it away. No one is saying the children should not face consequences. How they are punished should take their age into account. It should take the circumstances of their life into account.

We tend to ignore our societal problems until something like this occurs. There are solutions but no one wants to fund those solutions. It shows what we value. I say America does not value children or life.

What do you suggest? @liliblu

There have been 287 homicides within the city of Phila as of Monday.

These kids are responsible for one of them.

stevieb · ‎03-10-2010

The unfortunate reality is that in any society, priorities have to be established, just as we, as individuals, have to establish priorities for ourselves. Often, some of us disagree with how societal priorities are established and with what they end up being. This, alone, is fodder for extensive discussion and likely, were it to ensue, for significant disagreement. As for this situation, again, we can agree to disagree @liliblu, but in my hierarchy this little gang of thugs don't come out near the top of the list. Those who want to attempt to be their savior are free to do so, but my time, compassion and resources go elsewhere. That's my choice.

In my pantry with my cupcakes...

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@Lucky Charm wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@stevieb wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@candys mine wrote:
I don't remember things being THIS bad 3 years ago. I really don't.
America is a violent country. We celebrate violence in this country. Grown adults assaulted uniformed officers as pushed and fought their way into the U.S. Capitol. Sandy Hook elementary was the scene of a mass shooting in 2012. The Columbine mass school shooting happened in 1999. This is a country where lynchings used to occur on a regular basis. This isn't new. We just better access to information now.
Yes, it is a violent country and it's getting more violent and along with other actions that need to be taken to curb violence and to curb the media, we need to stop turning the other way when people of all ages act out and stop seeking reasons to explain away bad behavior.
Understanding why something occurs is not explaining it away. No one is saying the children should not face consequences. How they are punished should take their age into account. It should take the circumstances of their life into account.

We tend to ignore our societal problems until something like this occurs. There are solutions but no one wants to fund those solutions. It shows what we value. I say America does not value children or life.
What do you suggest?  @liliblu

There have been 287 homicides within the city of Phila as of Monday.

These kids are responsible for one of them.

I have a long list. But this probably is not the post for it.

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@stevieb wrote:
The unfortunate reality is that in any society, priorities have to be established, just as we, as individuals, have to establish priorities for ourselves. Often, some of us disagree with how societal priorities are established and with what they end up being. This, alone, is fodder for extensive discussion and likely, were it to ensue, for significant disagreement. As for this situation, again, we can agree to disagree @liliblu, but in my hierarchy this little gang of thugs don't come out near the top of the list. Those who want to attempt to be their savior are free to do so, but my time, compassion and resources go elsewhere. That's my choice.

I have no problem agreeing to disagree. But if our children are not a priorty then we as nation are doomed.

Lucky Charm · ‎03-09-2010

@liliblu wrote:
@stevieb wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@candys mine wrote:
I don't remember things being THIS bad 3 years ago. I really don't.
America is a violent country. We celebrate violence in this country. Grown adults assaulted uniformed officers as pushed and fought their way into the U.S. Capitol. Sandy Hook elementary was the scene of a mass shooting in 2012. The Columbine mass school shooting happened in 1999. This is a country where lynchings used to occur on a regular basis. This isn't new. We just better access to information now.
Yes, it is a violent country and it's getting more violent and along with other actions that need to be taken to curb violence and to curb the media, we need to stop turning the other way when people of all ages act out and stop seeking reasons to explain away bad behavior.
Understanding why something occurs is not explaining it away. No one is saying the children should not face consequences. How they are punished should take their age into account. It should take the circumstances of their life into account.

We tend to ignore our societal problems until something like this occurs. There are solutions but no one wants to fund those solutions. It shows what we value. I say America does not value children or life.

As someone whose great grandfather immigrated to Philadelphia in 1906 with just $7 in his pocket, he did what every man should do. He worked his a*s off, long hard days unloading ships to support his family as best he could.

There was crime and hatred and racism towards him and many others.

But you go to work, you come home, you sit and eat with your family, you discipline them as they are not angels, you love them, you [may] pray for them.

And you get up and go to work the next morning.

It wasn't all drudgery, there was music and dancing in the home as there was extended family members in the surrounding areas. There were neighbors of the same ethnicity that you mingled with on your street.

What could have been different for these parents of these 7 different children from what my great grandfather went through in Philadelphia over 115 years ago?

eta: @liliblu

Trinity11 · ‎11-16-2014

@stevieb wrote:
The unfortunate reality is that in any society, priorities have to be established, just as we, as individuals, have to establish priorities for ourselves. Often, some of us disagree with how societal priorities are established and with what they end up being. This, alone, is fodder for extensive discussion and likely, were it to ensue, for significant disagreement. As for this situation, again, we can agree to disagree @liliblu, but in my hierarchy this little gang of thugs don't come out near the top of the list. Those who want to attempt to be their savior are free to do so, but my time, compassion and resources go elsewhere. That's my choice.

And what about the studies that children who commit murder have changes in their brain? How can anyone really rehabilitate children like these...

I agree with you @stevieb .