Murder Suspects Turn Themselves In - Page 6

Mz iMac · ‎07-26-2014

@Lucky Charm "It appears one of the underage female attackers has a burqu on also."

I saw that & had to look twice to make sure I was seeing what I thought I was seeing & was From what I have observed in Philly as well as in Camden, the Muslim community as well as Muslim households keeps a tight grip on their children. Especially the girls!

"Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@stevieb wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@eadu4 wrote:
This happened at 3 am. A 10 year old and 14 year old out at 3 am. I think that tells you all you need to know about their parents (if there are 2 parents at home) And it tells you all you need to know about their parenting "skills". The fact these 2 were on the street at 3 am and commited cold blooded murder says all you need to know about the 2 of them. Regardless of any "horrors" they may have seen at home, these two are most likely not going to change but rather wind up with more future contributions to a rap sheet. They will not get any significant punishment and will most certainly be out on the street again in no time. Sadly we have almost become numb to violent crime like this and with very little actual punishment that fits the crime anymore. This is disgusting and happening more frequently. It will be interesting to see what the charges are and the outcome of any trial.
These are children. They are not irredeemable. It is this kind of attitude that is hurting our country. They will be punished but they probably fell into group or hive mentality. No thought was involved.

I hope there are consequences for the parents. Children this age have no business outside at 3 am.

Oh for the love of heaven, they. beat. an. old. man. to. death.

Enough with the excuses. I don't care how bad their parenting, (though yes the parent or parents should be prosecuted along with the little gargoyles they've spawned) or other factors that no doubt will be cited. As a society we simply can't keep looking the other way and trying to explain away sadistic, barbaric, criminal behavior, no matter the age of the criminals that perpetrate it.

I am not excusing what these children (not gargoyles) did. But how we punich and deal with children should be different than how we deal with adults. We don't allow 14 year olds to drive, drink alcohol, vote, or sign contracts. Why? Their brains are not fully developed. They do not think through the consequences of their actions. I can bet that they did not think they could kill a person with a traffic cone. They will be punished but they are not irredeemable monsters.

stevieb · ‎03-10-2010

@liliblu wrote:
@stevieb wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@eadu4 wrote:
This happened at 3 am. A 10 year old and 14 year old out at 3 am. I think that tells you all you need to know about their parents (if there are 2 parents at home) And it tells you all you need to know about their parenting "skills". The fact these 2 were on the street at 3 am and commited cold blooded murder says all you need to know about the 2 of them. Regardless of any "horrors" they may have seen at home, these two are most likely not going to change but rather wind up with more future contributions to a rap sheet. They will not get any significant punishment and will most certainly be out on the street again in no time. Sadly we have almost become numb to violent crime like this and with very little actual punishment that fits the crime anymore. This is disgusting and happening more frequently. It will be interesting to see what the charges are and the outcome of any trial.
These are children. They are not irredeemable. It is this kind of attitude that is hurting our country. They will be punished but they probably fell into group or hive mentality. No thought was involved.

I hope there are consequences for the parents. Children this age have no business outside at 3 am.

Oh for the love of heaven, they. beat. an. old. man. to. death.

Enough with the excuses. I don't care how bad their parenting, (though yes the parent or parents should be prosecuted along with the little gargoyles they've spawned) or other factors that no doubt will be cited. As a society we simply can't keep looking the other way and trying to explain away sadistic, barbaric, criminal behavior, no matter the age of the criminals that perpetrate it.
I am not excusing what these children (not gargoyles) did. But how we punich and deal with children should be different than how we deal with adults. We don't allow 14 year olds to drive, drink alcohol, vote, or sign contracts. Why? Their brains are not fully developed. They do not think through the consequences of their actions. I can bet that they did not think they could kill a person with a traffic cone. They will be punished but they are not irredeemable monsters.

We'll agree to disagree. I don't personally care whether their brains are fully developed or not... Any and all of them are old enough to know that you don't beat someone for no good reason... Certainly, most of us know that before the time we enter school and most children do know there are consequences to bad behavior... Tell you what, you 'redeem' these precious children, I'll protect myself and steer clear. As far as it goes, in my opinion, this oh so understanding mind set is a big part of the problem.

In my pantry with my cupcakes...

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

So many assumptions in the comments. I agree that children this age should not have been outside at that time of the morning. Yes, this shows a lack supervision and parenting. But the comments that these kids have done this before or something similiar is specualtion. The comments that their parents are criminals is speculation. Neglectful? Yes.

We don't to believe that good and decent kids can do terrible things. But sometimes that is the case. We have been failing the children of this country for a long time. They are bombarded with violence from an early age. Movies, television, and videos games that celebrate violence. Then we're surprised when they act out in a violent way.

stevieb · ‎03-10-2010

@liliblu wrote:

So many assumptions in the comments. I agree that children this age should not have been outside at that time of the morning. Yes, this shows a lack supervision and parenting. But the comments that these kids have done this before or something similiar is specualtion. The comments that their parents are criminals is speculation. Neglectful? Yes.

We don't to believe that good and decent kids can do terrible things. But sometimes that is the case. We have been failing the children of this country for a long time. They are bombarded with violence from an early age. Movies, television, and videos games that celebrate violence. Then we're surprised when they act out in a violent way.

Who said anyone's surprised? What some have said is that many children grow up under far from ideal circumstances and are bombarded by the same violent stimuli, but thankfully, not all of them evolve into the catastrophes that this bunch did...

In my pantry with my cupcakes...

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@candys mine wrote:
I don't remember things being THIS bad 3 years ago. I really don't.

America is a violent country. We celebrate violence in this country. Grown adults assaulted uniformed officers as pushed and fought their way into the U.S. Capitol. Sandy Hook elementary was the scene of a mass shooting in 2012. The Columbine mass school shooting happened in 1999. This is a country where lynchings used to occur on a regular basis. This isn't new. We just better access to information now.

Johnnyeager · ‎09-05-2014

Bad Seeds exist and are not necessarily redeemable.

Not all children who commit crimes are bad seeds, but they definitely sprout and grow.

stevieb · ‎03-10-2010

@liliblu wrote:
@candys mine wrote:
I don't remember things being THIS bad 3 years ago. I really don't.
America is a violent country. We celebrate violence in this country. Grown adults assaulted uniformed officers as pushed and fought their way into the U.S. Capitol. Sandy Hook elementary was the scene of a mass shooting in 2012. The Columbine mass school shooting happened in 1999. This is a country where lynchings used to occur on a regular basis. This isn't new. We just better access to information now.

Yes, it is a violent country and it's getting more violent and along with other actions that need to be taken to curb violence and to curb the media, we need to stop turning the other way when people of all ages act out and stop seeking reasons to explain away bad behavior.

In my pantry with my cupcakes...

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
This is OT but I've noticed quite a few mass shootings in other countries. I guess crazy things are happening all over, not just here.

Look at the numbers. These incidents are still rare in other countries. We cannot go a month in America without a mass shooting occuring.

liliblu · ‎09-06-2011

@Mz iMac wrote:
@Etoile308 Wow is right. Parent or guardian present does not make any difference. Someone was KILLED! What do you want the police to do w/this 10 yr old killer to get him to snitch? Give him a few lollypops till he snitches on his friends? All they have to do is show the 10 yr old a few "Scared Straight" videos to show what happens to "boys" in prison.
If he was tough enough to KILL, the cops will need to pull out all stops to get him to "snitch."

Wow. I hope you don't have or work with children.