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[Noel7]

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@NYC Susan wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@Kitlynn wrote:

I imagine the jurors had a hard time with this because he didn't force her to take the pills. He gave them to her supposedly saying they were allergy pills but she took them he didn't force them down her throat or put them in a drink or food. She also had numerous long phone calls with him after the incident took place. I have no doubt he is guilty and there have been around fifty women that have came forward with claims of this kind involving Bill Cosby. Part of the problem is they waited so long to come forward.

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@Kitlynn

It's very common for women who have been raped or otherwise assaulted to wait a long time to tell.  Most say they felt too ashamed to tell anyone.  The court recognizes that problem.

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That's absolutely correct. Shame is a big part of it.  And in addition, he was a very famous, very beloved public figure at the time.  Which made it even harder to come forward.

I've posted before that I work in television, and have worked with BC, who always treated women as though they were his personal property and was very demeaning to them.  I'm not going to get into all of that again, but I will say that the climate in the entertainment field makes it extremely difficult to come forward with stories like these.  Years ago, a few women tried, but got nowhere.  He was very powerful and very intimidating.

I wish that all of this had been revealed publicly sooner.  I really do.  But I understand why it's hard for any victim to speak up, and most especially in a case like this.  Each women who came forward gave courage to the next, and that's why finally the truth came out.  If there hadn't been so many women, he would have probably lived out the rest of us days with his reputation intact.

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I'm glad you brought up that point, @NYC Susan.  It's true, women did try years ago and nothing came of it.

In the same way some NFL groups protected their players accused of rape, the entertainment industry also protected their own

[Maudelyn]

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@Perkup wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

No person asks to be raped.

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No one said that these women asked to be raped. But I do say that if you choose to go to a man's room alone, accept a driink or pills or whatever, you are accepting whatever comes next. Either these women are stupid or they left their common sense at home.

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So women should expect to be raped if they are alone with a man? If they accept a drink, a pill or recreational drugs, the next natural event is that men will rape them?  Is that the common sense you speak of? 

[Hippiified]

It just breaks my heart that anyone could think this is ok.  What if it were your sister or your daughter!  Even if they did something stupid or whatever beforehand, would that be ok?

[MickD]

@Noel7 @NYC Susan we're still in the Dark Ages?  I better get my chastity belt....

[Noel7]

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@Maudelyn wrote:

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@Perkup wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

No person asks to be raped.

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No one said that these women asked to be raped. But I do say that if you choose to go to a man's room alone, accept a driink or pills or whatever, you are accepting whatever comes next. Either these women are stupid or they left their common sense at home.

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So women should expect to be raped if they are alone with a man? If they accept a drink, a pill or recreational drugs, the next natural event is that men will rape them?  Is that the common sense you speak of? 

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That kind of thinking would put a lot of men out of business: dentists, doctors, psychiatrists, mechanics, house painters, college counselors, cab drivers, on and on and on and on...

[NYC Susan]

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@Maudelyn wrote:

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@Perkup wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

No person asks to be raped.

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No one said that these women asked to be raped. But I do say that if you choose to go to a man's room alone, accept a driink or pills or whatever, you are accepting whatever comes next. Either these women are stupid or they left their common sense at home.

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So women should expect to be raped if they are alone with a man? If they accept a drink, a pill or recreational drugs, the next natural event is that men will rape them?  Is that the common sense you speak of? 

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That kind of thinking would put a lot of men out of business: dentists, doctors, psychiatrists, mechanics, house painters, college counselors, cab drivers, on and on and on and on...

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Not to mention bartenders.

[fortune]

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@PinkSunset wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

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@Perkup wrote:

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@Plaid Pants2 wrote:

No person asks to be raped.

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No one said that these women asked to be raped. But I do say that if you choose to go to a man's room alone, accept a driink or pills or whatever, you are accepting whatever comes next. Either these women are stupid or they left their common sense at home.

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If someone gives you "aspirin" which you take, thinking that it is aspirin, but it's actually Quaaludes, you are NOT accepting what happens to you.

Talk to a rape survivor sometime and educate yourself.

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so here's the thing, All these woman had the same headaches when they went to his room? Or needed a benadryl all of a sudden? Exactly how does that happen? If I as a sane, conscious woman went into a famous celebrity's hotel room and thought I was going there for some kind of advice, help, friendship, whatever. and the man offers me some kind of pill, any pill, even aspirin as you say, why would I take it? Were they all just naive, trusting women who believed he was Cliff Huxtable? 

I have a hard time believing someone like Beverly Johnson was just a shy, naive girl who didn't know anything and lived a sheltered life,

Frankly, women have some responsibility in what they do as well as the men. Now, if they got to a hotel, thought they were there for just a conversation (again, why, with a married man) and accepted a glass of iced tea into which he slipped a date rape drug, then, yes, he is totally at fault. But since I am a woman, I do know that not everything that seems innocent is innocent, I'd be on my guard at all times, Well, that, and I'd never go to the hotel room of a married man for any reason in the first place. And frankly, he's ruined, career over. Don't know these woman, don't care. He's almost 80 and blind. Is a judge really gonna send him to prison for the rest of his life? 

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@PinkSunset

He's a criminal.  I hope that a judge sends him to prison for the rest of his life!

[truffle]

The fact of the matter is, women were willing to place themselves in a compromising position in hopes to further their career. I also think many would have willingly slept with Cosby, quaaludes not needed. The outrage was being drugged instead of wined and dined.

[NYC Susan]

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@truffle wrote:

The fact of the matter is, women were willing to place themselves in a compromising position in hopes to further their career. I also think many would have willingly slept with Cosby, quaaludes not needed. The outrage was being drugged instead of wined and dined.

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You clearly do not know or understand the details.  Have you read anything about the other women who have come forward, and what happened to them?  If you have, then you must realize how far off the mark you are.

And being wined & dined is not at all the same as being drugged.  The outrage is appropriate.

This is just another example of blaming the victim  Or in this case, victims.  And there were a lot of them.  

[truffle]

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@NYC Susan wrote:

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@truffle wrote:

The fact of the matter is, women were willing to place themselves in a compromising position in hopes to further their career. I also think many would have willingly slept with Cosby, quaaludes not needed. The outrage was being drugged instead of wined and dined.

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You clearly do not know or understand the details.  Have you read anything about the other women who have come forward, and what happened to them?  If you have, then you must realize how far off the mark you are.

And being wined & dined is not at all the same as being drugged.  The outrage is appropriate.

This is just another example of blaming the victim  Or in this case, victims.  And there were a lot of them.  

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Those women who desperately wanted to further their career knew that they were placing themselves in a compromising position that possibly meant sleeping with Cosby...what they didn't bargain for was being drugged and raped. @NYC Susan