Miss-Trail in Cosby Case - Page 6

Hippiified · ‎03-21-2017

@MalteseMomma wrote:
@Tinkrbl44

Because I am not living under a rock, in "Never Land"!!!

IMO, she consented the moment she knocked on his door and enetered his room!

She did not consent to rape.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@Kitlynn wrote:
I imagine the jurors had a hard time with this because he didn't force her to take the pills. He gave them to her supposedly saying they were allergy pills but she took them he didn't force them down her throat or put them in a drink or food. She also had numerous long phone calls with him after the incident took place. I have no doubt he is guilty and there have been around fifty women that have came forward with claims of this kind involving Bill Cosby. Part of the problem is they waited so long to come forward.

@Kitlynn

It's very common for women who have been raped or otherwise assaulted to wait a long time to tell. Most say they felt too ashamed to tell anyone. The court recognizes that problem.

NYC Susan · ‎03-13-2010

@Bri36 wrote:
Going to someone's room, going out on a date, just being alone with someone doesn't give that person the right to drug and rape you.

Honestly, no wonder he wasn't convicted with these sorts of attitudes.

SMH

I know! It's unbelievable.

She could have called and invited him to her room using a sultry voice, answered the door in provocative clothing while waving a s*x toy, and it still would have been rape if she didn't give consent. This whole "boys will be boys" and "the victim asked for it" mentality is truly baffling.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@MalteseMomma wrote:
I really have to say.......

If I or any other woman were to go to a stars room alone at any time ,I would be concious of "being alone" and would expect advances!

We all know there are dozens of gals waiting at the doors of super stars every day! Ready to give all! ..and maybe get a super job because of it........

Unless your are stupid,dumb or whatever ,you must certainly be aware of the "aloneness" of the situation!

You are looking for trouble if you engage in this behavior over and over and so I do NOT consider the man guilty but I do consider your action,thinking you just may be getting a "favored" spot in the life of the "power" man you have just visited!!!!!!

@MalteseMomma

"Advances" and rape are two different things.

I don't know how you don't consider a man guilty for rape. No western civilization court would agree with you.

Hippiified · ‎03-21-2017

@PinkSunset wrote:
@Plaid Pants2 wrote:
@Perkup wrote:
@Plaid Pants2 wrote:
No person asks to be raped.

No one said that these women asked to be raped. But I do say that if you choose to go to a man's room alone, accept a driink or pills or whatever, you are accepting whatever comes next. Either these women are stupid or they left their common sense at home.

If someone gives you "aspirin" which you take, thinking that it is aspirin, but it's actually Quaaludes, you are NOT accepting what happens to you.

Talk to a rape survivor sometime and educate yourself.
so here's the thing, All these woman had the same headaches when they went to his room? Or needed a benadryl all of a sudden? Exactly how does that happen? If I as a sane, conscious woman went into a famous celebrity's hotel room and thought I was going there for some kind of advice, help, friendship, whatever. and the man offers me some kind of pill, any pill, even aspirin as you say, why would I take it? Were they all just naive, trusting women who believed he was Cliff Huxtable?

I have a hard time believing someone like Beverly Johnson was just a shy, naive girl who didn't know anything and lived a sheltered life,

Frankly, women have some responsibility in what they do as well as the men. Now, if they got to a hotel, thought they were there for just a conversation (again, why, with a married man) and accepted a glass of iced tea into which he slipped a date rape drug, then, yes, he is totally at fault. But since I am a woman, I do know that not everything that seems innocent is innocent, I'd be on my guard at all times, Well, that, and I'd never go to the hotel room of a married man for any reason in the first place. And frankly, he's ruined, career over. Don't know these woman, don't care. He's almost 80 and blind. Is a judge really gonna send him to prison for the rest of his life?

A person has the right to say "no" up until the last second before the act. None of these women had that chance. Please don't blame the victim.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@MalteseMomma wrote:
@Tinkrbl44

Because I am not living under a rock, in "Never Land"!!!

IMO, she consented the moment she knocked on his door and enetered his room!

@MalteseMomma

Thankfully, no court in this century would agree with you.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@Perkup wrote:
@Plaid Pants2 wrote:
No person asks to be raped.

No one said that these women asked to be raped. But I do say that if you choose to go to a man's room alone, accept a driink or pills or whatever, you are accepting whatever comes next. Either these women are stupid or they left their common sense at home.

@Perkup

The law does not agree with you, either.

And "stupid" is not consent.

FYI: Many disabled people, some who are intellectually challenged and some who do not have common sense because of injury ARE RAPED

You think they deserve it, the courts and good people do not.

NYC Susan · ‎03-13-2010

@Noel7 wrote:
@Kitlynn wrote:
I imagine the jurors had a hard time with this because he didn't force her to take the pills. He gave them to her supposedly saying they were allergy pills but she took them he didn't force them down her throat or put them in a drink or food. She also had numerous long phone calls with him after the incident took place. I have no doubt he is guilty and there have been around fifty women that have came forward with claims of this kind involving Bill Cosby. Part of the problem is they waited so long to come forward.

@Kitlynn

It's very common for women who have been raped or otherwise assaulted to wait a long time to tell. Most say they felt too ashamed to tell anyone. The court recognizes that problem.

That's absolutely correct. Shame is a big part of it. And in addition, he was a very famous, very beloved public figure at the time. Which made it even harder to come forward.

I've posted before that I work in television, and have worked with BC, who always treated women as though they were his personal property and was very demeaning to them. I'm not going to get into all of that again, but I will say that the climate in the entertainment field makes it extremely difficult to come forward with stories like these. Years ago, a few women tried, but got nowhere. He was very powerful and very intimidating.

I wish that all of this had been revealed publicly sooner. I really do. But I understand why it's hard for any victim to speak up, and most especially in a case like this. Each woman who came forward gave courage to the next, and that's why finally the truth came out. If there hadn't been so many women, he would have probably lived out the rest of his days with his reputation intact.

NYC Susan · ‎03-13-2010

@Noel7 wrote:
@MalteseMomma wrote:
@Tinkrbl44

Because I am not living under a rock, in "Never Land"!!!

IMO, she consented the moment she knocked on his door and enetered his room!

@MalteseMomma

Thankfully, no court in this century would agree with you.

Reading this thread has made me realize that the number of men vs. women on the jury doesn't mean much.

NYC Susan · ‎03-13-2010

@Noel7 wrote:
@Perkup wrote:
@Plaid Pants2 wrote:
No person asks to be raped.

No one said that these women asked to be raped. But I do say that if you choose to go to a man's room alone, accept a driink or pills or whatever, you are accepting whatever comes next. Either these women are stupid or they left their common sense at home.
@Perkup

The law does not agree with you, either.

And "stupid" is not consent.

FYI: Many disabled people, some who are intellectually challenged and some who do not have common sense because of injury ARE RAPED

You think they deserve it, the courts and good people do not.

That's right.

It's absurd to to think that accepting a drink from a man gives him permission to do whatever he wants to a woman. No, it is not "accepting whatever comes next". That sounds like a man's argument to me, and by that I mean a horrible man who thinks it's okay to treat women as though we exist merely for their use and their pleasure.

Accepting a drink from a man means the woman has accepted a drink. Period.