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@surfk wrote:

I'm not sure I understand the point of what type of safari a person is on and the level of danger people can be in, in relation to the possibility of being eaten by a lion.

 

Whether people enter in order to either hunt or to just admire the animals, its all still a wild environment full of wild life. While safaring can perhaps come across as something very civilized and well-orchestrated, one is still entering a wild and potentially very dangerous environment.

 

In that sense, its not too unlike taking a journey into Outer Space. If they ever get the Spaceport operating, and recreational trips into Space become accessible and "user-friendly", the passengers will never be able to say that they're 100% safe just because they paid a lot of money and they're going as an adventure vs a mission backed by NASA.

 

It will always remain fact that they're doing something with a level of danger.

 

People don't get eaten by wild lions - whether they're in a reserve or not - unless they got too close. It doesn't mean they got too close for bad reasons (such as to hunt and kill) but clearly they got too close and did SOMETHING (whether innocently or unwittingly) which prompted the animal to attack.

 

A guide, like in the situation of this thread, called the lion for a reason. As a guide, it was his job to make the experience as "full" for the tourists as possible. He wasn't calling the lion to dinner (well, not on purpose). He wasn't calling it to come in from the rain.

 

He was most likely calling it as to get the lion to look or approach so his tourists could get a better view or camera shot (or "safari experience").

 

But these animals aren't trained performing lions. The surroundings, no matter how comfortable the guides might become with them, are still wild and dangerous.

 

In fact, like any workplace accident, its sometimes due to a worker forgetting himself or being too comfortable in the job. A good worker in a highly dangerous job never forgets safety first no matter how long he's been on the job or how accustomed they become to the environment or job they enter each day.

 

So it doesn't much matter if the lion was within a reserve's boundaries or not. A reserve is essentially just a protected WILD environment. Its not a euphemism for a tamed environment.

 

And sometimes tourist safaris or their guides seem to think it makes some difference when it comes to their level of safety. But as we know, it doesn't.

 

In a sense its like the Grand Canyon. No matter how common a family vacation destination it is or how approachable it might seem from the southern rim...its a vast, wild, potentially deadly dangerous environment. Any ranger will tell people that a million times. And yet, you still see naive or defiant (or stupid) tourists attempting to hike it in 100-d heat wearing nothing but flip flops and carrying no fluids other the ice cream bar they bought back at the Grand Canyon Village gift shop.


@surfk - you are absolutely correct.  Animals on a reserve are not tame and you are taking a risk; conscientious  Rangers do make a point of telling you those risks and you sign a release of responsibility if you are hurt or killed.  They also emphasize the fact that they interact daily with these animals and understand subtle changes in behavior which signal danger  and tourists don't .  But, tourists seem to think the rules they are given do not apply to them.  A week before a man was trampled in an elephant stampede because he wanted a closer picture and the recent incident in Kenya was because a tourist got out of the jeep.  You are cautioned never to do that in certain areas.  So yes there is risk and you know that risk but it is much safer if you follow the rules. 

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Hi Posters, 

 

Please try to bring this thread back on topic and refrain from making unkind comments in regards to the origional poster or why they started the thread. I will be going back and cleaning this thread up a bit, some comments may be removed. 

 

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@mousiegirl wrote:

@Greenhouse wrote:

@mousiegirl wrote:

@Greenhouse wrote:

@PamfromCT wrote:

Greenhouse,  Thank you for your explanation.  You are more brave than I am.  But, of course, if I were much younger, who knows what I would have done?  I am old now

 

@PamfromCT - not too brave but I love animals especially lions and elephants...I am not so young but the terrain is not bad, just hot at certain times of the year.  For some reason, I was very calm with the lions, once we got going, the male let me walk with my hand on his back all the way down to the river and half way back ...he was a beauty 


I am sure that experience was a thrill for you, but did the lion have a choice, no.


@mousiegirl - of course the lion has the choice....we were told we were going to walk with the lions; it was very hot and they do not do this after 12 noon and they explain it will not happen if they chose not to walk. it was a little dicey when I was there but then, the lions just started walking; they are not captives   But, if the lions don't walk, no one beats them into submission; you leave ....they are hot, they walk to the water hole....we walk with them....it's their routine....the entire experience is decided by the lions....these lions are loved and after our experience, everyone donated to the project....which is to breed lions and release them to increase the population which has decreased.  They are not abused animals...it's not a zoo or circus.  If you see Rangers who are really devoted to these animals, there is a communication between man and beast and they respect each other...and they love these animals ....I think the animals walk to be with the Rangers......and the lions seemed to like being stroked.  The only prompting that is done is the Rangers calling their names


They are on a reserve, therefore they are captive, i.e. people always around them.

 

Most of Africa is a reserve it is not captivity ....there are no fences.....a lion found in South Africa wandered from Kenya and formed a pride.  The only thing that makes it a reserve is to protect the animals and breed them because the population is becoming endangered in the case of lions.  To animals , humans are just another species of An animal; they look at us with casual interest.   There will always be humans around animals and animals around humans...look around you; that is called Earth.  Africa is another Country; that is their environment.  Often animals wander to Capetown and other big cities or wander freely to hotels. No game wardens are called to stun or shoot an animal if that happens.  Animals are respected far more there than here.  If you don't care for safaris or conservation efforts, don't go on a safari but that is my choice. 

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I wanted to say something that I am sure would be poofed but I'll just say leave these animals alone.

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The compassion of people for humanity is astounding to say the least.   It's more frightening than the act it's self.

 

We are all intruding on animals habitat.   I think some people should give up their homes and live in the forest.

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In some of the U.S., what the lion did would be covered under "Stand Your Ground."  And what the dentist did would be called murder.  Big difference.