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[Stormygirl]

@Jacie I had this mental picture of everyone in the world simutaneously being offended and "breaking gas" at the same time and someone lighting up a BBQ and Kabooooooom! HAAAAAAAAA In a world full of seriousness and division you can always count on me for a good laugh LOL

[Jacie]

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@Stormygirl wrote:

@Jacie I had this mental picture of everyone in the world simutaneously being offended and "breaking gas" at the same time and someone lighting up a BBQ and Kabooooooom! HAAAAAAAAA In a world full of seriousness and division you can always count on me for a good laugh LOL

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@Stormygirl The way the world is today, don't count that scenario out! It just may happen! That was really a good giggle!!

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@Spurt wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

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@SaRina wrote:

Some people are chronically offended when attempts are made to include everyone.  Especially where children are concerned, feeling excluded or "different" is a terrible thing.

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I agree. The winter "holidays", "happy holidays" and "seasons greetings" and other representations began because whole groups of children and adults were excluded and only one single holiday was "celebrated", school and community-wise.

Communities with love and understanding in their hearts could have embraced welcoming in other groups and could have been happy to celebrate and honor *their* traditions as well - but no. It had always been all about their traditions, no room or thought for anyone else.

So, after time, in some instances government agencies had to step in, from Federal down to city, to insure that "only one" tradition didn't prevail. If people couldn't find it in their hearts to understand and adapt, the govt had to help.

And none of it needed to have happened if equal time, or ANY time, had been given in the schools and elsewhere to any other traditions than one. Like it or not, those most aggrieved brought it on themselves. It would have taken so little to have not made it necessary.

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So agree 100 % its ok for them to exclude those who are not celebrating their holidays but don't do what they do to others to them. 

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@AngusandBuddhasMom@Moonchilde @SaRina

First of all let's think about the reason that Christmas was first celebrated (it was the reason for the season) --but In our school assembly somone even explained the meaning of Hanukkah- and then in order to include others that have different beliefs that is why the secular aspect was introduced (Santa, Frosty The Snowmen, Winter Solstice) things that could be embraced by all so all COULD be included and not feel left out!!!  --- but no the PC Police wouldn't even allow that.....

And I find it quite amusing that the house on Pennsylvannia Ave allows the Easter Egg Roll (Easter eggs and the Easter Bunny which are linked to the pagan celebration of the goddess Ishtar) .....talk about your hypocrits...where is the let's be fair to all philosophy??????????????

So I guess with your way of thinking.....if someone is British and living in your State, city, or neighborhood, NO ONE should be allowed to celebrate The Fourth Of July least we offend ................So when is it going to be stopped so no one tradition prevails ..... 

And then OMG what will we do about St. Patrick's day......why you talk about being inclusive...after all it's all about irish traditions and gee I'm not Irish so let's ban it (SARCASM)!......

Then there's Valentine's Day---why what if one doesn't have a SO....or was abused by someone....or someone that got divorced or "dumped" by their love.....and then what type of love is considered acceptable.....nope---no more valentines at schools or elsewhere....sorry floral businesses...

And talking about holidays that are a liability....what about New Year's Eve....drinking and drunks....some of the drunks endangering the lives of others by driving while intoxicated......(more dangerous than a peanut allergy)....

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I can't speak for the other's in this discussion that you made an attempt at putting in our place but for my part you are mistaken. I have no problem with celebrating our usual round up of holidays. What I take issue with is when other faiths and ethnic groups are not afforded the same respect and consideration.  Usually the lame excuse is "oh if we celebrate their holiday then we would be celebrating different holiday's every week. That is so rude and ignorant and what is forgotten is these other holidays are just as important and meaningful to other groups. It is what our country is supposed to stand for. We are supposed to be inclusive not exclusive.

The rest of your argument is insulting and rude and dredges up old stereotypes that I would think we have moved on from. And while you bask in your Christmas season there are others who do not see that time of year as the Christmas season as they are not Christian but are still celebrating sacred events at that exact time of year. I still see the L-rd as  Jewish. Muslims venerate him as a Prophet so to suggest it is only the Christmas season is not being very tolerant to others. And less we forget it was originally the winter solstice and will always be that before anything.

[Moonchilde]

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@Spurt wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

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@SaRina wrote:

Some people are chronically offended when attempts are made to include everyone.  Especially where children are concerned, feeling excluded or "different" is a terrible thing.

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I agree. The winter "holidays", "happy holidays" and "seasons greetings" and other representations began because whole groups of children and adults were excluded and only one single holiday was "celebrated", school and community-wise.

Communities with love and understanding in their hearts could have embraced welcoming in other groups and could have been happy to celebrate and honor *their* traditions as well - but no. It had always been all about their traditions, no room or thought for anyone else.

So, after time, in some instances government agencies had to step in, from Federal down to city, to insure that "only one" tradition didn't prevail. If people couldn't find it in their hearts to understand and adapt, the govt had to help.

And none of it needed to have happened if equal time, or ANY time, had been given in the schools and elsewhere to any other traditions than one. Like it or not, those most aggrieved brought it on themselves. It would have taken so little to have not made it necessary.

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So agree 100 % its ok for them to exclude those who are not celebrating their holidays but don't do what they do to others to them. 

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@AngusandBuddhasMom@Moonchilde @SaRina

First of all let's think about the reason that Christmas was first celebrated (it was the reason for the season) --but In our school assembly somone even explained the meaning of Hanukkah- and then in order to include others that have different beliefs that is why the secular aspect was introduced (Santa, Frosty The Snowmen, Winter Solstice) things that could be embraced by all so all COULD be included and not feel left out!!!  --- but no the PC Police wouldn't even allow that.....

And I find it quite amusing that the house on Pennsylvannia Ave allows the Easter Egg Roll (Easter eggs and the Easter Bunny which are linked to the pagan celebration of the goddess Ishtar) .....talk about your hypocrits...where is the let's be fair to all philosophy??????????????

So I guess with your way of thinking.....if someone is British and living in your State, city, or neighborhood, NO ONE should be allowed to celebrate The Fourth Of July least we offend ................So when is it going to be stopped so no one tradition prevails ..... 

And then OMG what will we do about St. Patrick's day......why you talk about being inclusive...after all it's all about irish traditions and gee I'm not Irish so let's ban it (SARCASM)!......

Then there's Valentine's Day---why what if one doesn't have a SO....or was abused by someone....or someone that got divorced or "dumped" by their love.....and then what type of love is considered acceptable.....nope---no more valentines at schools or elsewhere....sorry floral businesses...

And talking about holidays that are a liability....what about New Year's Eve....drinking and drunks....some of the drunks endangering the lives of others by driving while intoxicated......(more dangerous than a peanut allergy)....

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I can't speak for the other's in this discussion that you made an attempt at putting in our place but for my part you are mistaken. I have no problem with celebrating our usual round up of holidays. What I take issue with is when other faiths and ethnic groups are not afforded the same respect and consideration.  Usually the lame excuse is "oh if we celebrate their holiday then we would be celebrating different holiday's every week. That is so rude and ignorant and what is forgotten is these other holidays are just as important and meaningful to other groups. It is what our country is supposed to stand for. We are supposed to be inclusive not exclusive.

The rest of your argument is insulting and rude and dredges up old stereotypes that I would think we have moved on from. And while you bask in your Christmas season there are others who do not see that time of year as the Christmas season as they are not Christian but are still celebrating sacred events at that exact time of year. I still see the L-rd as  Jewish. Muslims venerate him as a Prophet so to suggest it is only the Christmas season is not being very tolerant to others. And less we forget it was originally the winter solstice and will always be that before anything.

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Thank you, @AngusandBuddhasMom.

I didn't bother replying because the thoughts expressed were deliberately rude, crude and ignorant, and I felt it would be most revealing about the posters to stand alone.

I'm not ashamed of my regards for other world beliefs and cultures, nor my disdain for those who are narrow-minded and exclusionary and defend only one set of beliefs and cultural views while demeaning all others.

Get ready for the SHOUTING ;-)

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@Moonchilde wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@Spurt wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

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@SaRina wrote:

Some people are chronically offended when attempts are made to include everyone.  Especially where children are concerned, feeling excluded or "different" is a terrible thing.

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I agree. The winter "holidays", "happy holidays" and "seasons greetings" and other representations began because whole groups of children and adults were excluded and only one single holiday was "celebrated", school and community-wise.

Communities with love and understanding in their hearts could have embraced welcoming in other groups and could have been happy to celebrate and honor *their* traditions as well - but no. It had always been all about their traditions, no room or thought for anyone else.

So, after time, in some instances government agencies had to step in, from Federal down to city, to insure that "only one" tradition didn't prevail. If people couldn't find it in their hearts to understand and adapt, the govt had to help.

And none of it needed to have happened if equal time, or ANY time, had been given in the schools and elsewhere to any other traditions than one. Like it or not, those most aggrieved brought it on themselves. It would have taken so little to have not made it necessary.

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So agree 100 % its ok for them to exclude those who are not celebrating their holidays but don't do what they do to others to them. 

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@AngusandBuddhasMom@Moonchilde @SaRina

First of all let's think about the reason that Christmas was first celebrated (it was the reason for the season) --but In our school assembly somone even explained the meaning of Hanukkah- and then in order to include others that have different beliefs that is why the secular aspect was introduced (Santa, Frosty The Snowmen, Winter Solstice) things that could be embraced by all so all COULD be included and not feel left out!!!  --- but no the PC Police wouldn't even allow that.....

And I find it quite amusing that the house on Pennsylvannia Ave allows the Easter Egg Roll (Easter eggs and the Easter Bunny which are linked to the pagan celebration of the goddess Ishtar) .....talk about your hypocrits...where is the let's be fair to all philosophy??????????????

So I guess with your way of thinking.....if someone is British and living in your State, city, or neighborhood, NO ONE should be allowed to celebrate The Fourth Of July least we offend ................So when is it going to be stopped so no one tradition prevails ..... 

And then OMG what will we do about St. Patrick's day......why you talk about being inclusive...after all it's all about irish traditions and gee I'm not Irish so let's ban it (SARCASM)!......

Then there's Valentine's Day---why what if one doesn't have a SO....or was abused by someone....or someone that got divorced or "dumped" by their love.....and then what type of love is considered acceptable.....nope---no more valentines at schools or elsewhere....sorry floral businesses...

And talking about holidays that are a liability....what about New Year's Eve....drinking and drunks....some of the drunks endangering the lives of others by driving while intoxicated......(more dangerous than a peanut allergy)....

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I can't speak for the other's in this discussion that you made an attempt at putting in our place but for my part you are mistaken. I have no problem with celebrating our usual round up of holidays. What I take issue with is when other faiths and ethnic groups are not afforded the same respect and consideration.  Usually the lame excuse is "oh if we celebrate their holiday then we would be celebrating different holiday's every week. That is so rude and ignorant and what is forgotten is these other holidays are just as important and meaningful to other groups. It is what our country is supposed to stand for. We are supposed to be inclusive not exclusive.

The rest of your argument is insulting and rude and dredges up old stereotypes that I would think we have moved on from. And while you bask in your Christmas season there are others who do not see that time of year as the Christmas season as they are not Christian but are still celebrating sacred events at that exact time of year. I still see the L-rd as  Jewish. Muslims venerate him as a Prophet so to suggest it is only the Christmas season is not being very tolerant to others. And less we forget it was originally the winter solstice and will always be that before anything.

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Thank you, @AngusandBuddhasMom.

I didn't bother replying because the thoughts expressed were deliberately rude, crude and ignorant, and I felt it would be most revealing about the posters to stand alone.

I'm not ashamed of my regards for other world beliefs and cultures, nor my disdain for those who are narrow-minded and exclusionary and defend only one set of beliefs and cultural views while demeaning all others.

Get ready for the SHOUTING ;-)

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@Moonchilde you are very welcome.

On a side note I have been working on a series of paintings showing the everyday life and people of Syria( mainly of daily life prior to the war  and other places in the Middle East with a focus on modern times.

Some have been up already for public showing. What I find in listening to people who view them discussing what they see, they comment how much they are just like us. Which I think we tend to live in our own bubbles and forget. 

It is fine to celebrate what we cherish in our own beliefs but we should be cognizant of others  as we want them to be of us. 

[libbyannE]

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@bonnielu wrote:

I have recently been made aware that clown costumes are OUT AND OR FORBIDDEN. What is the issue, no doubt I have missed it.  If it is political excuse me for asking.  I just am curious and people I ask don't seem to know.  

Last year I taught teachers were sent home if they even wore orange and black.  What has this world come to.  Our Halloween anything was banned at our middle school and throughout the area and this was in 2010.

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Don't mean to be snotty, but don't you ever r ad or watch the news?  People dressed as clowns have been scaring or threatening people all over the country. 

[Moonchilde]

@Moonchilde you are very welcome.

On a side note I have been working on a series of paintings showing the everyday life and people of Syria( mainly of daily life prior to the war and other places in the Middle East with a focus on modern times.

Some have been up already for public showing. What I find in listening to people who view them discussing what they see, they comment how much they are just like us. Which I think we tend to live in our own bubbles and forget.

It is fine to celebrate what we cherish in our own beliefs but we should be cognizant of others as we want them to be of us.

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@AngusandBuddhasMom the current photos from Syria are heartbreaking. They often hurt to look at.

For some I think it's not so much just living in their own bubble, but putting storm doors and locks on the bubble and making sure no one gets in.

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@Moonchilde wrote:

@Moonchilde you are very welcome.

On a side note I have been working on a series of paintings showing the everyday life and people of Syria( mainly of daily life prior to the war and other places in the Middle East with a focus on modern times.

Some have been up already for public showing. What I find in listening to people who view them discussing what they see, they comment how much they are just like us. Which I think we tend to live in our own bubbles and forget.

It is fine to celebrate what we cherish in our own beliefs but we should be cognizant of others as we want them to be of us.

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@AngusandBuddhasMom the current photos from Syria are heartbreaking. They often hurt to look at.

For some I think it's not so much just living in their own bubble, but putting storm doors and locks on the bubble and making sure no one gets in.

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@Moonchilde sadly I agree, but have found that when some people ask questions or take the time to find out for themselves  there is a glimmer of hope. 

[occasionalrain]

To children the party theme doesn't  matter, so instead of religion  based themes wouldn't  American history themes be better since along with the fun they may actually learn something? 

[Texussgal]

The sheer perversion that exists today NEVER ceases to amaze me.  What sort of a sick, demented person does this kind of a thing to children?!  Makes my stomach turn and hurt.  I may be a dinosaur, but never had to endure this type of behaviour in my lifetime.  I pity the person that tries to scare the living daylights outta my granddaughters.  My daughter will be put in jail for killing the SOBs that try that.  I guess it is a good thing that they live in a small town that does not really lend itself to walking around.  OMG, this is just pure BS in my book.  It never ceases to amaze me how the world has become these days and it is just a crying shame!  Enuff, I've said my piece now!