Re: Cop-hater shooting in Philly

JaneMarple · ‎05-23-2011

@bonnielu wrote:
Of course this was a hate crime. It certainly was not done out of love and respect.

And if the police shoot back in defense, perish the thought, the media picks it up and it is labeled as some sort of discriminatory action.

@bonnieluYou're blaming the media for this awful crime? I haven't read or listened to ONE "media" report that this man didn't have a problem and was shot justifiably! Each and every police shooting is DIFFERENT and should be treated as such!!!!!

You Don't Own Me- Leslie Gore
(You don't Know) How Glad I Am- Nancy Wilson

tansy · ‎01-02-2011

@dex wrote:
I think it is time to start enforcing the law with some shame thrown in for the crimes that seem to be occuring more often by people who don't seem to have any respect for authority.I remember growing up that my mom always told us to follow the law and to not bring shame on the family.I don't think many have shame these days but I know that it definately played a role in keeping my behavior in check.A little shame on the family was not acceptable then.

All I can think of when reading your comments are "honor" killings of young women.

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

@tansy wrote:
@dex wrote:
I think it is time to start enforcing the law with some shame thrown in for the crimes that seem to be occuring more often by people who don't seem to have any respect for authority.I remember growing up that my mom always told us to follow the law and to not bring shame on the family.I don't think many have shame these days but I know that it definately played a role in keeping my behavior in check.A little shame on the family was not acceptable then.
All I can think of when reading your comments are "honor" killings of young women.

@tansy As someone who has worked in the field of domestic violence for more than 20 years and as an advocate for women and children, I find your comparison of "honor killings" to be the in the same league of teaching people to be embarrassed by their actions to those whose duty is to serve the public and PROTECT them from criminals to be...

asinine.

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

Murder is murder as far as I'm concerned. Doesn't matter whose doing the killing. America's gun culture is off the chains.

*Call Tyrone*

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@SahmIam wrote:
@tansy wrote:
@dex wrote:
I think it is time to start enforcing the law with some shame thrown in for the crimes that seem to be occuring more often by people who don't seem to have any respect for authority.I remember growing up that my mom always told us to follow the law and to not bring shame on the family.I don't think many have shame these days but I know that it definately played a role in keeping my behavior in check.A little shame on the family was not acceptable then.
All I can think of when reading your comments are "honor" killings of young women.
@tansy As someone who has worked in the field of domestic violence for more than 20 years and as an advocate for women and children, I find your comparison of "honor killings" to be the in the same league of teaching people to be embarrassed by their actions to those whose duty is to serve the public and PROTECT them from criminals to be...

asinine.

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@SahmIam

I know @tansy knows honor killings are about killing a female the family believes has brought shame on them. It is a horrible way to think and an unforgivable act against a woman.

IMO she was pointing out the terrible act of shaming the innocent.

tansy · ‎01-02-2011

@Noel7 wrote:
@SahmIam wrote:
@tansy wrote:
@dex wrote:
I think it is time to start enforcing the law with some shame thrown in for the crimes that seem to be occuring more often by people who don't seem to have any respect for authority.I remember growing up that my mom always told us to follow the law and to not bring shame on the family.I don't think many have shame these days but I know that it definately played a role in keeping my behavior in check.A little shame on the family was not acceptable then.
All I can think of when reading your comments are "honor" killings of young women.
@tansy As someone who has worked in the field of domestic violence for more than 20 years and as an advocate for women and children, I find your comparison of "honor killings" to be the in the same league of teaching people to be embarrassed by their actions to those whose duty is to serve the public and PROTECT them from criminals to be...

asinine.
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@SahmIam

I know @tansy knows honor killings are about killing a female the family believes has brought shame on them. It is a horrible way to think and an unforgivable act against a woman.

IMO she was pointing out the terrible act of shaming the innocent.

I was just going to let the comment slide, @Noel7, but you're right. Thank you.

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

@Noel7 A child should feel shame if their behavior is wrong. Adults should as well. It's part of how civility works in the US, the UK and the majority of the Western World. This is NOT and should NOT be placed in the same category as the disgusting backwards religious belief. THAT is my point.

I've worked with women who have almost died due to this cr@p though living in the US because the cult-like views are still in place among family members here; it is not the same thing (shame) in ANY way.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@tansy wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@SahmIam wrote:
@tansy wrote:
@dex wrote:
I think it is time to start enforcing the law with some shame thrown in for the crimes that seem to be occuring more often by people who don't seem to have any respect for authority.I remember growing up that my mom always told us to follow the law and to not bring shame on the family.I don't think many have shame these days but I know that it definately played a role in keeping my behavior in check.A little shame on the family was not acceptable then.
All I can think of when reading your comments are "honor" killings of young women.
@tansy As someone who has worked in the field of domestic violence for more than 20 years and as an advocate for women and children, I find your comparison of "honor killings" to be the in the same league of teaching people to be embarrassed by their actions to those whose duty is to serve the public and PROTECT them from criminals to be...

asinine.
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@SahmIam

I know @tansy knows honor killings are about killing a female the family believes has brought shame on them. It is a horrible way to think and an unforgivable act against a woman.

IMO she was pointing out the terrible act of shaming the innocent.
I was just going to let the comment slide, @Noel7, but you're right. Thank you.

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@tansy

I said something similar. I have worked with victims of domestic violence, also, but even longer with children.

The idea of shaming children for something their parent or other relative has done is abhorrent to me. As is shaming others who are innocent in a family.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@SahmIam wrote:
@Noel7 A child should feel shame if their behavior is wrong. Adults should as well. It's part of how civility works in the US, the UK and the majority of the Western World. This is NOT and should NOT be placed in the same category as the disgusting backwards religious belief. THAT is my point.

I've worked with women who have almost died due to this cr@p though living in the US because the cult-like views are still in place among family members here; it is not the same thing (shame) in ANY way.

@SahmIam

The idea brought up above was to shame THE FAMILY of the shooter. Innocent family members. Children who had NOTHING to do with what their parent did.

It would also include shaming an innocent spouse.

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

@tansy and @Noel7 I'm truly don't want to get into a pissing contest about this because I believe we are all on the same side regarding helping women and children. I think the issue at hand is the verbiage "shaming".

I don't think many don't believe that one should be held accountable for their actions and if they are embarrassed by it, there it is. It's another for others who are innocent to held accountable for what someone else has done and then punished for it.

"Honor Killings" is an entirely different situation and mind set. How the word "shame" is used to justify these despicable acts is proof that a simple word that was once looked upon as "causing one to feel embarrassed by ones actions and how others will look at them for those actions" has become an excuse for some religions to vilify and kill women.

I just don't agree with putting both outlooks in the same category.

ETA: I apologize to the OP for taking this off the path of the topic of your thread.