Community Chat

[gertrudecloset]

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@tototwo wrote:

The most recent fallout here is that fireworks tents are going up, but they can't get fireworks to sell.  Millions of containers of fireworks are sitting in ports in both China and the USA and can't get delivered due to transporation problems caused by the pandemic.

@decaf  -- I agree that it's the 'entitlement' generation.  They want money and things, but they don't want to work to earn them.  They think it's beneath them to work in the service industry for minimum wage, so they don't work at all.

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@tototwoSuch ******.  I know where the fireworks are!  They are being used illegally all across this country.  At least in my state individuals are not allowed to use fireworks on their own.  Guess what?  I hear fireworks every night anyway.  Those fireworks left the slow boat from China at the end of May.  Every knuckle head in my community has some.

[gertrudecloset]

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@decaf wrote:

@on the bay  We may not agree on this but that's fine.  Like I said earlier , I know of three individuals in their thirties who can work but don't want to/refuse to work. 

Also, my son owns a retail business for the last 15 year and through good economic times and bad ones, this has been the most difficult part of running his business.  Not just keeping employees either.  They don't show up for work, they don't even call out.  They just show up again when they "feel better."  It's impossible to schedule shifts and run a business like that.

I'm just relating people and circumstances I know well.  I didn't make this up and other people have told me they know people who just don't want to work or don't have reasonable expectations about work.  It's called a poor work ethic.

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@decafI've known people like that since before Covid, Great Recession and 9/11 and any other hard time this country has seen.  It didn't just start with Covid.  It's who and what they are.  Thank goodness it's not the majority of people I know.  If I could hold out for as long as I could an keep extra money coming in (more than I had before I worked) I'd do the same thing, until such time as I could no longer afford to do so.  Asking people to give up extra money is just absurd (my opinion). No adult in his or her right mind will give up extra money to go back to a job to continue to have less.

I just hope they are saving the extra for when they do go back to their old jobs if that's what they choose to do.  This country has not shortage of people looking for handouts.  It's part of the fabric of our country.

[gertrudecloset]

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@on the bay wrote:

I am realizing that we are talking about two different groups of people and maybe some in between.

Yes, there are many people who feel "entitled," don't want to work, want the highest paying job or not at all. I suspect they have a wealthy family

and not much worry or are criminals or something.

Then there are those who truly work so hard and are honest and do try their best to support themselves and their families.

What bothers me is when it seems so many judge others who have never been in that situation. They may have never had to worry about

being on the wrong side of the tracks.

I've been on both and being really poor teaches you a lot about yourself and I remember being so grateful for so many things. But also grateful and humbled when we had more.

I admire so much my children's generation and younger who are good people trying to also help others and working hard. Trying to make things better especially after they succeed. 

And I feel so bad for those who are struggling so hard every day and then maybe get judged from especially those who have never had to know what it is like-the fear of no food, or eviction, while still doing all they can to keep their head above water.

Or saying well we made it so everyone else can too. I've realized it doesn't always work that way for so many reasons.

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This @on the bay 

[gertrudecloset]

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@Kitty Galore wrote:

unemployment enhancements is the reason.  If someone makes more staying home why go to work,  where is the incentive?

 Having  a good work ethic comes to play too🤔  The crisis is pretty much over the extra  unemployment should be as well .

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Work "ethic" has nothing to do with getting extra $$ to live a better life.  Those two things are not analogous.  Those who were making minimum wage were never getting the top amount in their UE benefits.  Only people making the highest salary got the top tier of their UE benefits.  They were better off staying home. 

[gertrudecloset]

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@Kitty Galore wrote:

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@deepwaterdotter wrote:

I share my physician's concern about the strength and spread of the Delta variant.

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@deepwaterdotter   Yes one more thing to worry about now as the original crisis is ending!    they are saying it's much more contagious then covid .  It's spreading like crazy in India .   I pray it doesn't make it here.   Not sure if there is even a booster for it .

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It's already in the US.

[PamfromCT]

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@Snoopp wrote:

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@PamfromCT wrote:

One critical factor I have read about is the lack of affordable child care.  It seems that there are fewer centers that have reopened.  And child care costs are quite high in many areas.  

Perhaps more jobs will be filled when schools reopen at the end of the summer.

Both my son and son-in-law will be permanently working from home now.  They both don’t miss their former long commute.  

My daughter and daughter-in-law went back to their respective work places quite a while ago.

I don’t want to ignite a fire here, but more than one economist has offered another factor.  Namely, the shortage of workers in our country who want to work in service positions.  Their theory is that immigration is down, and that immigrants have always filled many service positions.

The estimated number of individuals who cross into the USA who are not apprehended is around 1000 PER DAY. 

I agree that child care has changed, not for the better.  I can think of a few places that went under during the pandemic.   

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@Snoopp 

[PamfromCT]

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@Snoopp wrote:

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@PamfromCT wrote:

One critical factor I have read about is the lack of affordable child care.  It seems that there are fewer centers that have reopened.  And child care costs are quite high in many areas.  

Perhaps more jobs will be filled when schools reopen at the end of the summer.

Both my son and son-in-law will be permanently working from home now.  They both don’t miss their former long commute.  

My daughter and daughter-in-law went back to their respective work places quite a while ago.

I don’t want to ignite a fire here, but more than one economist has offered another factor.  Namely, the shortage of workers in our country who want to work in service positions.  Their theory is that immigration is down, and that immigrants have always filled many service positions.

The estimated number of individuals who cross into the USA who are not apprehended is around 1000 PER DAY. 

I agree that child care has changed, not for the better.  I can think of a few places that went under during the pandemic.   

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@Snoopp, I don’t doubt your numbers, as I don’t have all the facts.  Even if you are correct, do these people fan out across the country and line up to take jobs?  Where?  What businesses?  Maybe closer to the border?

It is against the law to hire an illegal immigrant.  The Federal government Department of Labor monitors this situation, I can assure you.  A legal immigrant pays taxes, etc.  There might be some places willing to hire illegal people, but there are penalties if this is discovered.

The economists I was referring to were speaking of people who are legally here.  Evidently, legal immigration is down.

[Carmie]

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@gertrudecloset wrote:

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@Kitty Galore wrote:

unemployment enhancements is the reason.  If someone makes more staying home why go to work,  where is the incentive?

 Having  a good work ethic comes to play too🤔  The crisis is pretty much over the extra  unemployment should be as well .

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Work "ethic" has nothing to do with getting extra $$ to live a better life.  Those two things are not analogous.  Those who were making minimum wage were never getting the top amount in their UE benefits.  Only people making the highest salary got the top tier of their UE benefits.  They were better off staying home. 

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Well people with children who aren't working won't go back to work now.  They will be getting $300 for each child every month under the age of 6 and $250 for older children. The parents have to be making less than $150,000.

I wonder who's gonna pay this free money.

[gertrudecloset]

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@Carmie wrote:

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@gertrudecloset wrote:

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@Kitty Galore wrote:

unemployment enhancements is the reason.  If someone makes more staying home why go to work,  where is the incentive?

 Having  a good work ethic comes to play too🤔  The crisis is pretty much over the extra  unemployment should be as well .

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Work "ethic" has nothing to do with getting extra $$ to live a better life.  Those two things are not analogous.  Those who were making minimum wage were never getting the top amount in their UE benefits.  Only people making the highest salary got the top tier of their UE benefits.  They were better off staying home. 

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Well people with children who aren't working won't go back to work now.  They will be getting $300 for each child every month under the age of 6 and $250 for older children. The parents have to be making less than $150,000.

I wonder who's gonna pay this free money.

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@Carmiefrom what I've read it's an advance on their Child Tax Credit.  Something they would get anyway if they did their taxes properly.  They will get six payments of this upfront child tax credit (which they are eligible for).  If you had read up on the program you'd know the IRS is responsible for all of this.  That means of course all taxpayer's including the parents who are not going back to work.

No one get this credit unless they were eligible for it.  Don't fear.  It's not another handout!

[suzyQ3]

There are always those who jump to vilify those who are farther down on the ladder without considering all the factors.