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@suzyQ3so warming air temperatures warms the oceans and the glaciers melt. Got that. And warming temperatures somehow start fires? No logic there. There has to be a spark. So it is either lightening, a careless camper, or down power lines. Or is there some spontaneous combustion going on that you attribute to climate change?

I'm sorry that I wasn't clear here, @Puppy Lips. We've had lightning, careless campers, and faulty power lines for ages. Of course they can result in wildfires.

 

But the wildfires are becoming worse and worse. Why?

 
"This will only get worse in the future": Experts see direct line between California wildfires and climate change"

 

California is likely to continue to experience larger and more destructive wildfires as the nation's most populated state gets hotter and drier.

 

A recent study published in Earth's Future suggests that the increasing size of wildfires occurring across California in the last 50 years is attributable to climate change drying out the landscape.

 

"Since the early 1970s, California's annual wildfire extent increased fivefold, punctuated by extremely large and destructive wildfires in 2017 and 2018," the researchers wrote. "This trend was mainly due to an eightfold increase in summertime forest‐fire area and was very likely driven by drying of fuels promoted by human‐induced warming."

 

Over the past decade, average temperatures there have risen over 2 degrees Fahrenheit, but the moisture deficit — the difference between the amount of water actually in the atmosphere and the amount of water it can hold — has not caught up. Lower relative humidity causes brush to dry out faster, creating more kindling to burn when a fire starts.

 

"It's not likely to get better as we continue to warm the climate," CBS News climate and weather contributor Jeff Berardelli said. "This will only get worse in the future."

 

He points out that fire season is about two to three months longer now than it was in 1970.

 

"Climate change — warmer climate and drier climate — [is] making a huge difference," Berardelli said. "It is a tipping point. It is the straw that breaks the camel's back and makes these, you know, generally controllable fires uncontrollable."

 

The six most destructive fire seasons in state history have occurred in the last 10 years, and 15 of the 20 largest California fires took place since 2000.

 

Extreme fire seasons are also affected other factors, such as the fact that humans are encroaching further into previously rural areas.

 

For almost a month, millions of Californians have been subject to temporary electricity shut-offs as utilities try to prevent power lines from sparking fires during high wind conditions. Hundreds of thousands have been forced to evacuate their homes and tens of millions of people are under "red flag" warnings.

 

 


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There’s a fire burning on the other side of the city that I live in. I can guarantee that there aren’t any heavily wooded areas. Just dried up hillsides with scrub brush and an occasional tree. Winds have been up to 70mph.
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So the fires are worse due to climate change, but not directly the result of it, unless the winds caused power lines to fall. It seems the old power lines are the real problem and the thing that can be fixed. I hope everyone stays safe and the brave firemen can get a handle on this. I feel bad for everyone who has had to evacuate, not knowing if they will have a home to come back to. Stay safe everyone!
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Thank you for researching and revealing the actual SOURCE for the incorrect assumptions and study cited earlier on this thread. (The organization propagating the false study has one of the best mission statements I've read in a long time, including their Fueling Freedom initiative, which seeks to "explain the forgotten moral case for fossil fuels." Really?? Really!!)

Thank you for posting the above news piece. In the past, I would just ignore conspiracy theories and cruel sterotypes posted on these threads, not wanting to expend the energy and time it takes to refute them.
That is no longer an option in 2019.

Thank you for posting facts. ❤ And I am very happy to report that Spencer Christian of KABC-TV said today these crazy high winds will be gone by tonight. Here's to seven straight days of calm weather for all of California and the other Western states battling these fires.
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Do you mean in Simi Valley? I saw earlier that a fire had broken out there.
Stay safe!!
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@MarnieRez3 in the Inland Empire.
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What Is the Sun's Role in Climate Change?
From NASA's Global Climate Change Website

The Sun powers life on Earth; it helps keep the planet warm enough for us to survive. It also influences Earth’s climate: We know subtle changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun are responsible for the comings and goings of the past ice ages. But the warming we’ve seen over the last few decades is too rapid to be linked to changes in Earth’s orbit, and too large to be caused by solar activity.1

The Sun doesn’t always shine at perpetually the same level of brightness; it brightens and dims slightly, taking 11 years to complete one solar cycle. During each cycle, the Sun undergoes various changes in its activity and appearance. Levels of solar radiation go up or down, as does the amount of material the Sun ejects into space and the size and number of sunspots and solar flares. These changes have a variety of effects in space, in Earth’s atmosphere and on Earth’s surface.

The current solar cycle began January 4, 2008, and appears to be headed toward the lowest level of sunspot activity since accurate recordkeeping began in 1750. It’s expected to end sometime between now and late 2020. Scientists don’t yet know with confidence how strong the next solar cycle may be.

What Effect Do Solar Cycles Have on Earth’s Climate?
According to the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the current scientific consensus is that long and short-term variations in solar activity play only a very small role in Earth’s climate. Warming from increased levels of human-produced greenhouse gases is actually many times stronger than any effects due to recent variations in solar activity.

For more than 40 years, satellites have observed the Sun's energy output, which has gone up or down by less than 0.1 percent during that period. Since 1750, the warming driven by greenhouse gases coming from the human burning of fossil fuels is over 50 times greater than the slight extra warming coming from the Sun itself over that same time interval.

Are We Headed for a ‘Grand Minimum’? (And Will It Slow Down Global Warming?)
solar irradiance with branding
The above graph compares global surface temperature changes (red line) and the Sun's energy that Earth receives (yellow line) in watts (units of energy) per square meter since 1880. The lighter/thinner lines show the yearly levels while the heavier/thicker lines show the 11-year average trends. Eleven-year averages are used to reduce the year-to-year natural noise in the data, making the underlying trends more obvious.

The amount of solar energy that Earth receives has followed the Sun’s natural 11-year cycle of small ups and downs with no net increase since the 1950s. Over the same period, global temperature has risen markedly. It is therefore extremely unlikely that the Sun has caused the observed global temperature warming trend over the past half-century. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
As mentioned, the Sun is currently experiencing a low level of sunspot activity. Some scientists speculate that this may be the beginning of a periodic solar event called a “grand minimum,” while others say there is insufficient evidence to support that position. During a grand minimum, solar magnetism diminishes, sunspots appear infrequently and less ultraviolet radiation reaches Earth. Grand minimums can last several decades to centuries. The largest recent event happened during the “Little Ice Age” (13th to mid-19th century): the “Maunder Minimum,” an extended period of time between 1645 and 1715, when there were few sunspots.

Several studies in recent years have looked at the effects that another grand minimum might have on global surface temperatures.2 These studies have suggested that while a grand minimum might cool the planet as much as 0.3 degrees C, this would, at best, slow down (but not reverse) human-caused global warming. There would be a small decline of energy reaching Earth, and just three years of current carbon dioxide concentration growth would make up for it. In addition, the grand minimum would be modest and temporary, with global temperatures quickly rebounding once the event concluded.

Some people have linked the Maunder Minimum’s temporary cooling effect to decreased solar activity, but that change was more likely influenced by increased volcanic activity and ocean circulation shifts.3

Moreover, even a prolonged “Grand Solar Minimum” or “Maunder Minimum” would only briefly and minimally offset human-caused warming.
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@Puppy Lips wrote:
So the fires are worse due to climate change, but not directly the result of it, unless the winds caused power lines to fall. It seems the old power lines are the real problem and the thing that can be fixed. I hope everyone stays safe and the brave firemen can get a handle on this. I feel bad for everyone who has had to evacuate, not knowing if they will have a home to come back to. Stay safe everyone!

I guess you could say that, @Puppy Lips. Regardless, the weather deviations, along with all the conponents of climate change, now are a factor not just in the increasing number of wildfires but in a myriad other adverse occurrences.


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Oh Lord, so very sad to hear this. I saw a fire up in Simi Valley too. The winds ARE expected to lessen tonight. Thinking of you and sending you strength and support.
Thank you to the firefighters from SEVEN states who are helping California to fight these fires, including those from Montana, Nevada, Washington state, Oregon, South Dakota, Arizona, Utah and four Native Territories, including the Lakota Nation and the Navajo Nation.
Grateful to all of these brave men and women. We love you. We can never repay the sacrifices you make everyday.