Wellness

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This morning I took my DH for outpatient surgery and there were signs for a Covid vaccine clinic (our local Health dept didn't know anything when I called them about this).  Turns out they gave 175 shots to walk ins last week!  Now its by appointment only ( you must make it online, only on laptop or desktop computer).  Talked to someone in charge at hospital: no available appointments this week, only 100 for next week, but they're not making THAT schedule until tomorrow!  I feel like  rat in a maze!

[Porcelain]

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@Jersey Born Here you go. To head off any potential arguing, I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this if you don't find the FDA director and the American Medical Association convincing. All the best to you regardless of what you decide about getting vaccinated.

COVID-19 vaccine update from FDA director, Peter Marks, MD, PhD

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/covid-19-vaccine-update-fda-director-peter-ma...

[Jersey Born]

@Porcelain - You are free to think whatever you want, and I am not looking for a debate, but that was the most pitiful explanation I have ever read.  The AMA admits they rushed things, and they admit they have no idea if Antibody Dependent Enhancement will occur even though this was seen in prior coronavirus research. I find it criminally negligent that anyone in public health would permit leap-frogging over all animal testing for novel technology medical therapies like these new innoculations against COVID-19 (considering they have knowledge of prior coronavirus biologic product development research disasters that killed test animals ) prior to the issuance of an EUA and release of the product to the entire adult population around the world.

Furthermore, there  is a huge difference between absolute and relative risk reduction when it comes to making a statement of efficacy, or in this case, symptom reduction. The COVID-19 symptom reduction efficacy data that allegedly supported the EUA pronouncement, was based upon relative risk reduction, which tells us nothing of value.

"The studies are touted as involving tens of thousands of people, but in Pfizer's trial, only 170 of them were reported as being 'diagnosed with COVID-19' during the trial. Of those, 162 were in the placebo group and eight were in the vaccine group.

From this, it is inferred that the vaccine prevented 154/162 people from developing the disease, or '95%.' But as even the British Medical Journal points out, a relative risk reduction is being reported, not absolute risk reduction, which appears to be less than 1%.'" Quote from James Corbett. 

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Here's something

 @pitdakota 

posted about trials and age groups etc:

"Close to 26% of the subjects in just the phase 3 clinical trial for the Pfizer vaccine included people 65 years of age and older. That age group also included those with co-morbidities and in fact performed really well at preventing disease in the older groups.  

Here is a direct link to the results evaluated by the FDA for the Pfizer vaccine:

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download 

Here is the actual letter for emergency use authorization written by the FDA:

Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine EUA Letter of Authorization (fda.gov)

Note it says nothing about withholding from the older age group.  It is approved for individuals 16 years of age and older, with no age cut off or recommendations for older individuals.

Here is the letter of authorization from the FDA for the Moderna Vaccine:

https://www.fda.gov/media/144636/download 

Note it is recommendated for individuals 18 years of age and older.

They don't have the clinical data released on the FDA website yet as far as I can tell, but here is the initial data published by Modera earlier which shows demographic breakdown of subjects, which includes older individuals:

https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/content_documents/2020-COVE-Study-Enrollment-Completio...   "

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Not sure links will work since it's a copy so

heres where her post is in thread called

 “ covid 19 vaccine delays “

https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/covid-19-vaccine-delays/td-p/6668304/page/4

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[Puppymom1]

I am SO glad that my parents, and alot of us here also, had the guts to line us up for MMR, polio drinks and some kind of sugar cube.  Goodness, I turned out ok!  Aside from a small scar on my arm from showing off my shot!  Imagine what the world would look like now!  My generation (60) skirted alot of disease because our parents knew better and actually trusted.  I work in healthcare and see the effects of this virus.  My prayer is that those refusing stay  healthy.

[shoesnbags]

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@Puppymom1 wrote:

I am SO glad that my parents, and alot of us here also, had the guts to line us up for MMR, polio drinks and some kind of sugar cube.  Goodness, I turned out ok!  Aside from a small scar on my arm from showing off my shot!  Imagine what the world would look like now!  My generation (60) skirted alot of disease because our parents knew better and actually trusted.  I work in healthcare and see the effects of this virus.  My prayer is that those refusing stay  healthy.

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@Puppymom1 

In my state there has been overwhelming demand for the vaccine from those 70 and over.  I think that may come from our generation's positive experiences with previous vaccines as we were growing up, as you pointed out.