Wellness

[KALLIE]

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@hckynut wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@hckynut wrote:

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Let me see! Do I believe my own real life experiences/with real doctors and real heart attack patients/real class sessions with real Cardiology Specialists, or something written( or maybe a video) by an author who's credentials to me are unknown, that wrote things from who knows where?

That's a tough one.

hckynut(john)

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WOW!  

You've never heard of The Cleveland Clinic?!

It's the Gold Standard for heart disease research & treatment.

Shocking that someone would lack the knowledge, information & awareness about something which affects their life so much.

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Yep! Heard of it. Also have compared their heart mortality rate %  to that of my 2nd home hospital. I'll stick with my hospital thank you. Mayo Clinic/Cedars-Sinai/John Hopkins/Mass General,and I could go on and on.

Would I go to one of them over the one in my city for my health issues?  Not a chance. I would however talk face to face with any of their best Cardiologist and Nutritionists and compare what their studies show and what my personal heart issues, as they relate to my genetics and heart attacks have shown me.

I doubt a single one of them would say "GENETICS come in one size fits all, and that any one program works for everyone as related to genetic predisposition for heart disease". If that were true, very few that followed that 1 program should ever have heart disease related deaths, right?

If you want to believe what you preach and live that life, hey! However, don't waste a minute, assuming you have put your body through enough physical stress to read what it is saying to you, while counting on what you have or have not eaten to save your life.

"MINUTES ARE MUSCLES and remember THE GOLDEN HOUR"!

I read my body well and have managed to survive 8 health issue that kill thousands of people every single day. Shocking with my lack of knowledge of the body my mind has inhabited for close to 77 years now I am still alive.

Trade my knowledge for your reading any ole time. I grew up street smart/experience smart with a minimum of books smarts, but here I still am, just livin and lovin my rather long and real life experiences.

hckynut(john)

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I wouldn't take ANY of her advice.

[Diamonds22]

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@KALLIE wrote:

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@hckynut wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@hckynut wrote:

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Let me see! Do I believe my own real life experiences/with real doctors and real heart attack patients/real class sessions with real Cardiology Specialists, or something written( or maybe a video) by an author who's credentials to me are unknown, that wrote things from who knows where?

That's a tough one.

hckynut(john)

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WOW!  

You've never heard of The Cleveland Clinic?!

It's the Gold Standard for heart disease research & treatment.

Spoiler

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I read my body well and have managed to survive 8 health issue that kill thousands of people every single day. Shocking with my lack of knowledge of the body my mind has inhabited for close to 77 years now I am still alive.

Trade my knowledge for your reading any ole time. I grew up street smart/experience smart with a minimum of books smarts, but here I still am, just livin and lovin my rather long and real life experiences.

hckynut(john)

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I wouldn't take ANY of her advice.

I totally agree I wouldn't take any of her advice. She is over the top with her plant base diet she thinks it is her way or no way. There are too many things that she says are so wrong I hope no one believes it or they could be in trouble healthwise & I would hate for that too happen. Hckynut(john) is so right & KALLIE says in 1 short sentence.

Diamonds22

[Katyq]

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I love Jeff Novick. I have not been able to feel good - I.e. Have energy an not feel lethargic on a well-researched vegan diet. I really want to be vegan I will someday try again.

Jeff Novick, RN, explains Calorie Density using the 'Per 100 Calories' as a guideline:

CC=Cooked Carbohydrate

There are tons of plant-based doctors basically saying the same thing.  They have websites, YouTube videos, books, Facebok support.  The best source is Dr. John McDougall...everything is free & online. 

Remember, YOU have the choice to better your health.  

Modern day ailments are manmade.  

Heart disease is not genetic...never has been, never will be.

The knowledge you have here is probably more Nutritional based studies than most doctors have in medical school!!  Ha 

http://www.jeffnovick.com/RD/Articles/Entries/2012/5/20_A_Common_Sense_Approach_To_Sound_Nutrition.h...

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k inmates, within a week/2.  Results will be quick.  Heart disease is not a genetic issue. It really IS all about the food. 

[Snoopp]

I don't think you can get enough fat from vegetables alone.  Certain veggies only have trace amounts. 

[Trinity11]

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@Snoopp wrote:

I don't think you can get enough fat from vegetables alone.  Certain veggies only have trace amounts. 

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No, you cannot. A completely fat free, plant based diet with lots of starch is just not sustainable after vitamin deficiencies set in.

Well balanced eating plans work in the long run and fad diets always end up being just that......a fad diet.

[sidsmom]

"...completely fat free" is a misnomer.

There is no such thing as a completely fat free diet!  Funny.

That phrase is a huge red light the writer doesn't know anything about nutrition. 

Cultures around the world for generations...really for millinenia....have been eating a plant-based diet.  Heart disease, diabetes, obesity are virtually unknown within the communities of the Tarahumara of Mexico (corn as their staple), rural China (rice),  Central Africa & Papua New Guinea (sweet potatoes).   

It's not unusual to see First & Second Generation of families lean, fit, trim.  It's only when they move to a Standard American Diet (SAD), move to American, and raise their children on this diet....when Third Generation suddenly has heart disease, obesity, diabetes.   Third Generation is fat & sick & suddenly on all sorts of pills & medications.  Genetic?  Don't think so.

Heart disease, obesity, diabetes & other modern day ailments are not genetic.  They are manmade.   

People heal themselves with diet.

Food can Kill.  Food can Heal.

The decrease in mortality rate (outlined in the OP) is direct evidence our SAD is not working.   

Things must change.   

A low fat, whole foods, plant based diet is the only diet for optimal health. 

[Lacey1]

Just as an FYI. If anyone is on the fence about plant based nutrition-ask yourself. What do cows eat? Gorillas? Elephants? The answer is plants. These animals are getting enough protein, fat, etc. to grow into large, strong animals.

 I bet every one one of us knows someone affected by obesity, diabetes, hypertension, cardiac disease, etc. that does NOT eat a proper plant based diet.

Anyone connecting the dots?

This post is meant for people already considering this subject matter. I'm not trying to convert anyone. Too many people would lose their jobs, if everyone went plant based.

[sidsmom]

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@Katyq wrote:

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I love Jeff Novick. I have not been able to feel good - I.e. Have energy an not feel lethargic on a well-researched vegan diet. I really want to be vegan I will someday try again.

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@Katyq

Yes..Jeff Novick is a sweetie.   Love him with Rip Esselstyn!

Not feeling good is a HUGE red flag you're not eating enough.

You need more calories!  Eat lots of starch.  

Supplement with leafy greens & small amounts of beans/legumes (no fats).

Use salt sparingly, but focus on fat-free condiments to spice up your starch. 

It's not encouraged but for a week/so, try logging your food in an online app like Cronometer or myfitnesspal.  It gives you all the feedback you need showing all your nutritional needs are met (add B12).  Sometimes the 'weak' feeling is from suggestion..people eating a cruddy diet, but yet chirping in your ear.  

I..and many,many others...have more energy eating a clean plant based diet low in fats...just makes one light since everything processes without effort.  More energy, sleep better, easy food prep. 

Try eating 80% of your calories from starches.  Only 10% should be protein and 10% from naturally occurring fats.  If tired, no energy, lethargic...EAT!!  Lots of rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes!  I cook up a huge sheet of oven baked potato fries & nosh on them all day as snacks.  

Read through Dr. McDougall's links I gave in a post upthread.  Everything is outlined free on him public website.  He even has videos online explaining how to prepare. Here's another video which might help.  

If you have questions, let me know!!

http://youtu.be/HknpIgbuCUk

[HappyDaze]

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@hckynut wrote:

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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So then why did my slim, vegan friends nearly die of a heart attack? They exercised, ate no fatty foods and lived on a plant based diet. The starches they ate lead to high triglycerides, though, and when they stopped eatting just plants and starches their heart disease got better as proved by stress tests and angiograms. There are many stuides proving that a plant based diet is not the ONLY diet that changes the coronary arteries.

Both people had genetically inherited a pre-dispostion for heart disease and all the plants and no oils or fats wasn't changing that. In fact the vegan lifestyle nearly killed them.

If we destroy the Endothelium, we develop the disease.
If we restore our Endothelium, we vanquish our disease."

May be true but there are different ways of restoring the endothelim and to say otherwise ends up getting a doctor on Quackwatch. There is no such thing as a one size fits all diet. And if living on plants worked nobody would drop dead of heart disease.

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@Trinity11

I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian since around 1975. I have also been, what many called me, a physical fitness nut. Some of my good friends even suggested a head to some mountain and become a Monk. In jest, I think!

My total cholesterol averaged around a 160/HDL 55/LDL 40/Ratio usually 1.4-1.8 and Triglycerides usually mid to low 30's. Fitness level at 62 when I had my 1st heart attack(as measured via Maximal Treadmill with Pulmonary Testing)? For men my age that was in the top 2% in regards to physical fitness.

Yet I had a heart attack with my Right Coronary Artery 100% blocked. What I ate/my fitness level or my GENETICS? Pretty easy answer for me. Unfortunately it was close to 100° on that July 5th on which I spent 4 hours mowing our acreage, thus a whole lot of water I had consumed to stay hydrated.

That resulted in Aspiration Pneumonia which put me in ICU for 8 days, 4 of which I had a Balloon Pump put in a Major Artery in my groin to help my heart keep beating under the stress of trying to remove all the fluids in my lungs.

Could not move my right leg even a millimeter because if that Pump came loose? Probably would bleed to death. Only fluid other than IV those 4 days was a cube of sugar sized sponge soaked in some fluid, and ran around my mouth 4 times a day. Also wearing a full face mask during those days.

I went home on day 16, 13 of which was the Aspiration of fluid almost wrote my death certificate cause of death. It took me daily treatments and over a year to get all the fluid out of my lungs.

My Cardiologist who I have known since the early 1980's told me this. Had it not been for your high fitness level and hugs Lung capacity because of it, my chances of surviving were between 5-10%. Reading my body/ knowing my GENETICS and being very fit, saved my life, not because I hadn't eaten meat/not because I ate mostly fruits/veggies and under 10% total fat intake per day?

What saved me was not sitting around pondering all of those things I wrote about in the above paragraph, but calling 911 and them hauling my butt to the ER in minutes and meeting my Cardiologist there to start the necessary life saving treatments.

Nothing suggested to me/my Cardiologist, or my Pulmonologist, that anything other than my GENETICS precipitated almost all of those events, sans Aspiration Pneumonia.

And thank you for your kind comments, much appreciated?

hckynut(john)

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Amen! It scares me to see someone saying the things OP is saying, basically trying to state that eating plant based diet is the end all be all and will prevent heart attacks and heart disease. I really hope there are not people reading these posts and trusting in this information 100% because it can actually be dangerous to blindly believe and follow what is being stated hear.

Is there some good advice here? Yes, but what scares me is that things are being stated as fact and a one-size-fits-all to complete health and it is just not taking into consideration the whole picture (individual genetics, individual history/habits,individual health challenges and diseases, etc) , regardless of how much and how loudly many of these posters are protesting that it is.

[sidsmom]

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@Lacey1 wrote:

Just as an FYI. If anyone is on the fence about plant based nutrition-ask yourself. What do cows eat? Gorillas? Elephants? The answer is plants. These animals are getting enough protein, fat, etc. to grow into large, strong animals.

 I bet every one one of us knows someone affected by obesity, diabetes, hypertension, cardiac disease, etc. that does NOT eat a proper plant based diet.

Anyone connecting the dots?

This post is meant for people already considering this subject matter. I'm not trying to convert anyone. Too many people would lose their jobs, if everyone went plant based.

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Good Morning, @Lacey1!!!

Love your plant-based musings!   Beautiful!

"Convert" is word define by Webster, "cause to change in form, character, or function".   Unfortunately many people have a negative connotation with that word as well as "Vegan".   It's not a religion or cult (yes, there are people out there that think that!!) but that's why I use the phrase "Plant Based".  I provide many, many resources to educate.  Over 1,000 & 1,000's of years, a billion Chinese can't be wrong.  Why are plants voodoo today?

There's a cute PB meme which says, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him eat carrots!!"

Reallocating jobs is what we should be focused on.  There are many facets to Plant Based eating.   Dietary, Financial, Ethical Treatment & Environmental.  The environmental side will have to be a necessity in the future.   Too much water is being used to process & manufacture animal products.   Those same jobs can be reallocated to the process & manufacture of plants.  I fact, MORE jobs will be needed to make plants the focus of our dinner plate.  But that's a whole 'nuther subject for a whole 'nuther thread.

Yes, this post is meant for people already considering this subject matter.  I would love to INCREASE that mortality age!!   Th majority of the Public will blindly take medication, have surgery & die over a condition which they have control to fix!    Modern day ailments are manmade.

I have TONS of resources from many different plant-based leaders....all saying the same thing.

If you're inspired by testimonials...got'em!

If inspired by studies & references...got'em!

If inspired by videos & blogs...got'em!

Lots & lots of good stuff out there!

If anyone has questions, hopefully I can answer!!