Heart Attacks: Plant-Based Diet Exercise Solution - Page 3

Trinity11 · ‎11-16-2014

@hckynut wrote:

To believe what you eat/how physically fit you are/what you weigh is going to change your genetic predisposition to heart disease? It is pure/false/unadulterated nonsense.

Those that dispense this ridiculous rhetoric are not only doing a disservice to those that read and/or believe it, they also might also be a causation for someone to delay getting help?

FACT: There is what is called THE GOLDEN HOUR for those having a heart attack. Every 60 seconds part of your heart muscle dies(does not regrow or regenerate, it is gone forever)/minutes are muscle and you can guess why it is called THE GOLDEN HOUR.

Your chances of surviving a heart attack after 90 minutes go from 85-90% down to 35% as time-tick-tick-ticks away. For someone to suggest since you ate this or that/exercised for this or that long, that you are now immune to a heart attack, thus you delay getting help?

The results of their false nonsense can result in much more damage to a heart and just maybe too much.

hckynut(john)

As always, John, a well written accurate post. Hope you are doing well.

hckynut · ‎03-10-2010

@sidsmom wrote:
http://www.dresselstyn.com/Esselstyn_Caldwell_Article.pdf

"Family history and genetic background do not cause this illness."
-Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, Jr formerly of The Cleveland Clinic

"It is not the luck of the draw. It is a matter of personal action and responsibility. Genes load the gun but lifestyle pulls the trigger. It all starts and stops with our Endothelium, the guardian and lifejacket of our blood vessels.
If we destroy the Endothelium, we develop the disease.
If we restore our Endothelium, we vanquish our disease."

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To blame "genetics" is an extreme insult to those who are reversing/preventing Heart Disease, Diabetes, Obesity by eating the CORRECT diet. Millions of people in different cultures around the world for millinenia have been eating a diet low in fat, high in starches & carbohydrates & low/if any animal products.....but yet all this disease is a current-day problem.

It's all about the food.
Low Fat, Whole Foods, Plant Based diet.

People say it's 'genetics', but the fact is their grandparents ate rich food, their parents ate/eat rich food & they eat rich food.

It's Family HABITS, not Family Genetics or Family History.

And for the "cousin who had a friend who's sister had a best friend" who didn't do well on a vegan diet....I guarantee they didn't follow a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet.

But yet.....it's AMAZING, like the woman outlined in the original post video, she was able to reverse almost everything with a plant-based diet. Did her 'genetics' change? No.

It's not genetics or family history or we've got big bones...people don't want to take responsibility for their own actions. Until people realize this, the mortality rate will continue to lower & lower & lower. It's shocking to see it coming true right before out eyes!!

It's SUCH an easy fix....if done correctly!
The lady outlined in the video is a BEAUTIFUL example.

And I spent my time in classes and clinics 3 days a week for a total of 72 sessions with many(a couple hundred or more) heart attack patients, many of whom believed that nonsense.

I am talking real people/my own real life experiences, not reading studies/books/videos and opinions of authors and mostly unknown/so-called researchers.

Let me see! Do I believe my own real life experiences/with real doctors and real heart attack patients/real class sessions with real Cardiology Specialists, or something written( or maybe a video) by an author who's credentials to me are unknown, that wrote things from who knows where?

That's a tough one.

hckynut(john)

hckynut(john)

Ms X · ‎09-13-2012

What are we supposed to eat? One can't exist on vegetables alone. Meat is out. Carbs are deadly. And now no fat is a good fat? I thought people needed fats in their diet for the body to function. We can't just eat vegetables. That's unhealthy and would lead to malnutrition and an extreme lack of energy.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@Trinity11 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
http://www.dresselstyn.com/Esselstyn_Caldwell_Article.pdf

"Family history and genetic background do not cause this illness."
-Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, Jr formerly of The Cleveland Clinic

"It is not the luck of the draw. It is a matter of personal action and responsibility. Genes load the gun but lifestyle pulls the trigger. It all starts and stops with our Endothelium, the guardian and lifejacket of our blood vessels.
If we destroy the Endothelium, we develop the disease.
If we restore our Endothelium, we vanquish our disease."

----------
To blame "genetics" is an extreme insult to those who are reversing/preventing Heart Disease, Diabetes, Obesity by eating the CORRECT diet. Millions of people in different cultures around the world for millinenia have been eating a diet low in fat, high in starches & carbohydrates & low/if any animal products.....but yet all this disease is a current-day problem.

It's all about the food.
Low Fat, Whole Foods, Plant Based diet.

People say it's 'genetics', but the fact is their grandparents ate rich food, their parents ate/eat rich food & they eat rich food.

It's Family HABITS, not Family Genetics or Family History.

And for the "cousin who had a friend who's sister had a best friend" who didn't do well on a vegan diet....I guarantee they didn't follow a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet.

But yet.....it's AMAZING, like the woman outlined in the original post video, she was able to reverse almost everything with a plant-based diet. Did her 'genetics' change? No.

It's not genetics or family history or we've got big bones...people don't want to take responsibility for their own actions. Until people realize this, the mortality rate will continue to lower & lower & lower. It's shocking to see it coming true right before out eyes!!

It's SUCH an easy fix....if done correctly!
The lady outlined in the video is a BEAUTIFUL example.
So then why did my slim, vegan friends nearly die of a heart attack? They exercised, ate no fatty foods and lived on a plant based diet. The starches they ate lead to high triglycerides, though, and when they stopped eatting just plants and starches their heart disease got better as proved by stress tests and angiograms. There are many stuides proving that a plant based diet is not the ONLY diet that changes the coronary arteries.

Both people had genetically inherited a pre-dispostion for heart disease and all the plants and no oils or fats wasn't changing that. In fact the vegan lifestyle nearly killed them.

If we destroy the Endothelium, we develop the disease.
If we restore our Endothelium, we vanquish our disease."

May be true but there are different ways of restoring the endothelim and to say otherwise ends up getting a doctor on Quackwatch. There is no such thing as a one size fits all diet. And if living on plants worked nobody would drop dead of heart disease.

Unfortunately starches do not raise triglycerides.

They are complex carbohydrates.

Triglycerides are fats in the blood.

When you are on a LOW fat, whole foods, plant based diet...tris aren't an issue. There's no inflammation with those foods.

"And if living on plants worked nobody would drop dead of heart disease"

YEP!

That's the idea! Heart disease is not genetic. It CAN be fixed with the correct nutritional therapy!!

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/metabolic-syndrome-and-plant-based-diets/

As Dr. Esselstyn says:

"If your triglycerides are high, cut back on simple carbohydrates, which would include alcohol, wine, beer, white flour products, sugars including dried fruit, honey maple syrup, molasses, rich desserts, fruit juice or an excess of fruit."

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-leaky-gut-theory-of-why-animal-products-cause-inflammation/

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@Ms X wrote:
What are we supposed to eat? One can't exist on vegetables alone. Meat is out. Carbs are deadly. And now no fat is a good fat? I thought people needed fats in their diet for the body to function. We can't just eat vegetables. That's unhealthy and would lead to malnutrition and an extreme lack of energy.

TONS OF FOOD!!

Starches are your main source of calories...potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice, corn.

Add beans, legumes.

Add green leafies...collards, spinach, romaine, mustard greens, turnip greens.

Lots of vegetables.

Little fruit.

Add spices which are no fat.

Yes, we eat fat...naturally occurring fat within starches, vegetables, fruit, beans, legumes. No added fat needed.

Cultures around the world for millinenia have lasted eating starches & veg...not by choice, but to survive. Eat to satiation, get enough calories & heart disease, obesity, diabetes...all the other common day ailments will be a thing of the past.

Eating a a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet (as outlined below) will reward you quickly. Generally high blood pressure medication will be dramatically reduced, if not leek inmates, within a week/2. Results will be quick. Heart disease is not a genetic issue. It really IS all about the food.

Here's a link to a FREE program:

https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/free-mcdougall-program/

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@hckynut wrote:

Let me see! Do I believe my own real life experiences/with real doctors and real heart attack patients/real class sessions with real Cardiology Specialists, or something written( or maybe a video) by an author who's credentials to me are unknown, that wrote things from who knows where?

That's a tough one.

hckynut(john)

WOW! @hckynut

You've never heard of The Cleveland Clinic?!

It's the Gold Standard for heart disease research & treatment.

Shocking that someone would lack the knowledge, information & awareness about something which affects their life so much.

hckynut · ‎03-10-2010

@Trinity11 wrote:

So then why did my slim, vegan friends nearly die of a heart attack? They exercised, ate no fatty foods and lived on a plant based diet. The starches they ate lead to high triglycerides, though, and when they stopped eatting just plants and starches their heart disease got better as proved by stress tests and angiograms. There are many stuides proving that a plant based diet is not the ONLY diet that changes the coronary arteries.

Both people had genetically inherited a pre-dispostion for heart disease and all the plants and no oils or fats wasn't changing that. In fact the vegan lifestyle nearly killed them.

If we destroy the Endothelium, we develop the disease.
If we restore our Endothelium, we vanquish our disease."

May be true but there are different ways of restoring the endothelim and to say otherwise ends up getting a doctor on Quackwatch. There is no such thing as a one size fits all diet. And if living on plants worked nobody would drop dead of heart disease.

@Trinity11

I have been a lacto-ovo vegetarian since around 1975. I have also been, what many called me, a physical fitness nut. Some of my good friends even suggested a head to some mountain and become a Monk. In jest, I think!

My total cholesterol averaged around a 160/HDL 55/LDL 40/Ratio usually 1.4-1.8 and Triglycerides usually mid to low 30's. Fitness level at 62 when I had my 1st heart attack(as measured via Maximal Treadmill with Pulmonary Testing)? For men my age that was in the top 2% in regards to physical fitness.

Yet I had a heart attack with my Right Coronary Artery 100% blocked. What I ate/my fitness level or my GENETICS? Pretty easy answer for me. Unfortunately it was close to 100° on that July 5th on which I spent 4 hours mowing our acreage, thus a whole lot of water I had consumed to stay hydrated.

That resulted in Aspiration Pneumonia which put me in ICU for 8 days, 4 of which I had a Balloon Pump put in a Major Artery in my groin to help my heart keep beating under the stress of trying to remove all the fluids in my lungs.

Could not move my right leg even a millimeter because if that Pump came loose? Probably would bleed to death. Only fluid other than IV those 4 days was a cube of sugar sized sponge soaked in some fluid, and ran around my mouth 4 times a day. Also wearing a full face mask during those days.

I went home on day 16, 13 of which was the Aspiration of fluid almost wrote my death certificate cause of death. It took me daily treatments and over a year to get all the fluid out of my lungs.

My Cardiologist who I have known since the early 1980's told me this. Had it not been for your high fitness level and hugs Lung capacity because of it, my chances of surviving were between 5-10%. Reading my body/ knowing my GENETICS and being very fit, saved my life, not because I hadn't eaten meat/not because I ate mostly fruits/veggies and under 10% total fat intake per day?

What saved me was not sitting around pondering all of those things I wrote about in the above paragraph, but calling 911 and them hauling my butt to the ER in minutes and meeting my Cardiologist there to start the necessary life saving treatments.

Nothing suggested to me/my Cardiologist, or my Pulmonologist, that anything other than my GENETICS precipitated almost all of those events, sans Aspiration Pneumonia.

And thank you for your kind comments, much appreciated?

hckynut(john)

hckynut · ‎03-10-2010

@sidsmom wrote:
@hckynut wrote:

Let me see! Do I believe my own real life experiences/with real doctors and real heart attack patients/real class sessions with real Cardiology Specialists, or something written( or maybe a video) by an author who's credentials to me are unknown, that wrote things from who knows where?

That's a tough one.

hckynut(john)
WOW!
You've never heard of The Cleveland Clinic?!
It's the Gold Standard for heart disease research & treatment.
Shocking that someone would lack the knowledge, information & awareness about something which affects their life so much.

Yep! Heard of it. Also have compared their heart mortality rate % to that of my 2nd home hospital. I'll stick with my hospital thank you. Mayo Clinic/Cedars-Sinai/John Hopkins/Mass General,and I could go on and on.

Would I go to one of them over the one in my city for my health issues? Not a chance. I would however talk face to face with any of their best Cardiologist and Nutritionists and compare what their studies show and what my personal heart issues, as they relate to my genetics and heart attacks have shown me.

I doubt a single one of them would say "GENETICS come in one size fits all, and that any one program works for everyone as related to genetic predisposition for heart disease". If that were true, very few that followed that 1 program should ever have heart disease related deaths, right?

If you want to believe what you preach and live that life, hey! However, don't waste a minute, assuming you have put your body through enough physical stress to read what it is saying to you, while counting on what you have or have not eaten to save your life.

"MINUTES ARE MUSCLES and remember THE GOLDEN HOUR"!

I read my body well and have managed to survive 8 health issue that kill thousands of people every single day. Shocking with my lack of knowledge of the body my mind has inhabited for close to 77 years now I am still alive.

Trade my knowledge for your reading any ole time. I grew up street smart/experience smart with a minimum of books smarts, but here I still am, just livin and lovin my rather long and real life experiences.

hckynut(john)

Ms X · ‎09-13-2012

@sidsmom wrote:
@Ms X wrote:
What are we supposed to eat? One can't exist on vegetables alone. Meat is out. Carbs are deadly. And now no fat is a good fat? I thought people needed fats in their diet for the body to function. We can't just eat vegetables. That's unhealthy and would lead to malnutrition and an extreme lack of energy.
TONS OF FOOD!!
Starches are your main source of calories...potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice, corn.
Add beans, legumes.
Add green leafies...collards, spinach, romaine, mustard greens, turnip greens.
Lots of vegetables.
Little fruit.
Add spices which are no fat.

Yes, we eat fat...naturally occurring fat within starches, vegetables, fruit, beans, legumes. No added fat needed.

Cultures around the world for millinenia have lasted eating starches & veg...not by choice, but to survive. Eat to satiation, get enough calories & heart disease, obesity, diabetes...all the other common day ailments will be a thing of the past.

Eating a a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet (as outlined below) will reward you quickly. Generally high blood pressure medication will be dramatically reduced, if not leek inmates, within a week/2. Results will be quick. Heart disease is not a genetic issue. It really IS all about the food.

Here's a link to a FREE program:

https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/free-mcdougall-program/

Thank you for all that info. I'm surprised to see the carbs/grains. No wheat? Why? I love bread and pasta. What about lean chicken and fish? I will keep your suggestions in mind, as I am trying to improve my diet.

One thing: There is little to no fat in most "starches, vegetables, fruit, beans, legumes." Avocado is an exception.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@Ms X wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@Ms X wrote:
What are we supposed to eat? One can't exist on vegetables alone. Meat is out. Carbs are deadly. And now no fat is a good fat? I thought people needed fats in their diet for the body to function. We can't just eat vegetables. That's unhealthy and would lead to malnutrition and an extreme lack of energy.
TONS OF FOOD!!
Starches are your main source of calories...potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice, corn.
Add beans, legumes.
Add green leafies...collards, spinach, romaine, mustard greens, turnip greens.
Lots of vegetables.
Little fruit.
Add spices which are no fat.

Yes, we eat fat...naturally occurring fat within starches, vegetables, fruit, beans, legumes. No added fat needed.

Cultures around the world for millinenia have lasted eating starches & veg...not by choice, but to survive. Eat to satiation, get enough calories & heart disease, obesity, diabetes...all the other common day ailments will be a thing of the past.

Eating a a low fat, whole foods, plant based diet (as outlined below) will reward you quickly. Generally high blood pressure medication will be dramatically reduced, if not leek inmates, within a week/2. Results will be quick. Heart disease is not a genetic issue. It really IS all about the food.

Here's a link to a FREE program:

https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/free-mcdougall-program/

Thank you for all that info. I'm surprised to see the carbs/grains. No wheat? Why? I love bread and pasta. What about lean chicken and fish? I will keep your suggestions in mind, as I am trying to improve my diet.

One thing: There is little to no fat in most "starches, vegetables, fruit, beans, legumes." Avocado is an exception.

Thanks for circling back!

I forgot wheat! Unlike the other starches, wheat is hard to eat in whole form. I suppose wheat berries would fit the bill, but most wheat products will be processed.

No animal products or animal by-products. I'll specify even though it's clear but....no red meat, chicken, fish, tuna, pork, yak (!), eggs, dairy, cheese, etc. Nothing that has a mother!

Bread/pasta: You can have those..but with exception. Until one's heart issues, diabetes, obesity, arthritis and/or any health issues are under control, they should be eaten only occasionally. Why? They are on the side of processed & calorie dense.

Avocados: Yes, they are high in fat...including nuts & seeds. Again, until things are under control, especially weight, those items should be removed from the diet.

BTW: All food products have a ratio of Carbohydrates, Protein & Fat. We only need 10-15% of our total calories from fat for optimal health. Any more than that, especially with overt fats, we're looking for trouble!

Calories: The best thing is...we don't count calories. Just eat foods on the low end of the Calorie Density scale, eat to satiation. Easy.

Jeff Novick, RN, explains Calorie Density using the 'Per 100 Calories' as a guideline:

CC=Cooked Carbohydrate

There are tons of plant-based doctors basically saying the same thing. They have websites, YouTube videos, books, Facebok support. The best source is Dr. John McDougall...everything is free & online.

Remember, YOU have the choice to better your health.

Modern day ailments are manmade.

Heart disease is not genetic...never has been, never will be.

The knowledge you have here is probably more Nutritional based studies than most doctors have in medical school!! Ha

http://www.jeffnovick.com/RD/Articles/Entries/2012/5/20_A_Common_Sense_Approach_To_Sound_Nutrition.h...