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@HSB1204 wrote:
@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:I've been experimenting with the number of pumps I'm using. I know that Chaz always uses a lot when he's showing how to apply the mousse but I'm not sure more is better in my case. I have thin, fine hair which is almost to the middle of my back. I tried 10 pumps the other day and felt like my hair was kind of greasy when it dried. I seem to have much better luck with 4-5 pumps so while that may be much less than what I'm supposed to use for my length I get much better results with that.
@HSB1204, I have not a lot of baby fine hair that is not 3-4 inches below my shoulders (more like 7 inches below my shoulders when it just been cleansed).
When I first started using the 613 Mousse a few years back (and my hair was about 7 inches shorter), I was using 4-5 pumps of Mousse which gave me good results. -- Using more Mousse seemed to give me confusing results. Honestly, I didn't have the incentive to try to work this confusion through because, lol, that was going to cost me more Moussie moo money.
Of course, I tossed any restraint out of the window when I got my Moussie moo value trio last November. These days I use between 8-10 pumps of Mousse. I haven't figured out exactly why but for some days 10 pumps seems to be better, while for other days 8 pumps seems to be the right thing to do. -- I can't really explain it but sometimes my hair just feels as though it needs more Moussie moo.... and I'm happy to oblige.
One of these weekends, I want to experiment with Maximum Moussie moo... when I'm planning on spending the weekend at home... maybe 30-40 pumps, and see what it looks like. lol, stay tuned.
-- bebe
@bebe777 I'd be interested to hear if you can tell any difference if you added 30-40 pumps of mousse! I guess my mousse will last me quite a while if I continue using 4-5 pumps but oh well.
At least even if I add more Wen mousse than usual it won't leave my hair all crunchy like regular mousse does!
@HSB1204, if you and @yisbuff2 can remember to remind me to do it a few days before the President's Day weekend, then I'm definitely up for trying in.
lol, I'll even let the two of you decide how many Moussie Moo pumps to go for... lol, did I just commit to that in print... and on the internet, where nothing ever gets erased.
-- bebe, whose brain may already be fuzzy with all those thoughts of moussie moo 
@HSB1204 wrote:
@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 @FleaMktQn @sonechko @quadmimi and @yisbuff2, I wanted to mention one new added benefit that has come from using more Moussie moo.
Even with Wen CC, my hair (and my body) are naturally on the oily side... probably because I sweat 2-3 times as much as the average girl.
So I really need to keep up my overnight oil treatments to really help balance my scalp's oil production.
What I've discovered is that by doubling my moussie moo -- by going from 5 pumps to 10 pumps -- the moussie moo does a better job of lifting the roots of my hair off of my scalp. When I run my fingers through my hair, say three days after my last cleanse, I can actually feel that there is oil production as the very beginnings of my hair. but because my hair is now pouffier (not a lot, but enough), my hair isn't lying flat on my scalp... and rolling in the natural oils on my scalp.
So while oil production is going on... it's not making my hair as oily as quickly, so I can cheat a bit. In fact, I just went a record week between cleansings (usually I need to cleanse my hair every 3-4 days). I cleansed my hair last tuesday and didn't cleanse my hair again until yesterday morning (tuesday). -- For the last three days, the back of the crown of my head was a bit oily... but not really. I could pouf it up and everything was fine. I did wear my hair up in a loose bun for the last 3-4 days... but it looked really cute.
-- bebe
@bebe777 That's amazing! I'd be happy if I could go even one day without cleansing but unfortunately I haven't been that lucky. My hair doesn't get oily as fast as it used to but I still have to cleanse every day.
@HSB1204, normalizing my oil slick oil production Is my very favorite Wen benefit. My hair used to turn into an oil slick inside of 18 hours. I always had to shampoo my hair in the morning (as opposed to the evening), just to get through the day.
The Wen Tea Tree (TT) CC, and then the overnight tea tree oil scalp treatments changed all of that.
Over time, I found that the overnight oil treatments were much more effective than the TT CC, so I just focused on the overnight scalp treatments and stopped using the TT CC. -- That said, if I get lax about doing the overnight scalp treatments, I start noticing increased oil production in 2-3 weeks. It's not a oil slick, but it means that I have to start cleansing my hair every other day (instead of every 3-4 days). One overnight oil scalp treatment (or maybe two), very quickly normalized the oil production on my scalp again.
My best results are 1-2 overnight Wen Tea Tree / Eucalyptus Treatment Oil scalp treatment per week. While I haven't tried the other Wen Treatment Oils for my scalp, from everything I have read, the two key ingredients for your scalp (to normalize oil production) are jojoba oil and tea tree oil.
btw, what is your current regimen for balancing the oil production on your scalp?
-- bebe 
@RipleyGirl wrote:I made an effort to use the comb today for each product (LI, SC, Mousse) and clean my hands off in between each, and it does seem to have helped. It occurred to me that I was splodging in all the leave in because my hair felt dry, when in reality it could be that it's not getting distrubuted through my hair enough. What's that you say? Isn't that what Chaz says about the comb? Yes, yes he does and once again, I have to learn the hard way
I have mixed the SC and VM/ glossing serum. As Chaz says, the glossing serum makes your hair like buttah. It's amazing stuff. I've used it on my little girl's wild hair after spraying her hair with RM and at least with a 5 year old's head of hair (yes I've played hairdresser with her hair), I can almost straighten with just these two products and the round brush. Her hair's not super curly, more loose ringlets, but it does become "voluminous" very quickly.
BTW I checked CD customer service (lovely people) and the palm oil used in the glossing serum is ethically sourced. This is a big issue that came to light a few years back because a great deal of orangutan habitat was being lost to palm oil plantations. Just another reason to love Chaz and his crew!
@RipleyGirl, that's great that the modifications you just made to your leave in regimen give your hair better results.
btw, in your post you said:
I made an effort to use the comb today for each product (LI, SC, Mousse)
and I was wondering if LI meant "leave in" and I was also wondering it the CC was part of your leave in?
I'm asking because a lot of people (like me) who have baby fine hair just cringe at the idea of putting CC back into the hair as part of the leave in... but it's the best way to get added moisture back into your hair (and then the styling creme seals it in).
I always use the 16oz Cleansing Conditioner bottles. Initially I could only use about 1/4 pump of CC, because more CC would weigh down my hair. After all my pre-Wen hair grew out, I found that I could use more CC as part of my leave in. These days I use between 2/3 of a pump and a full pump (less for the Restorative CCs because they have more CC in each pump... which I find frustrating). I pretty much go by feel, because my hair shows me how much it is absorbing each time.
I'm glad that washing your hands between each step seems to have helped. lol, it was my own idea and, when I first tried it, it even seemed a bit extreme to me... but it did product better results. My baby fine hair doesn't need any unnecessary extra product to weight it down and make it oilier more quickly.
I don't use the Wen comb in between each new product application, but that's mainly because I don't have a lot of hair and it's all very fine. -- That said, I do remember Chaz mentioning this, so good for you for trying it. -- I'm going to give it a try next time... after all, why not because there's no down side.
btw, are you applying your leave in to soaking wet hair while you are still in the shower... in order to get maximum product distribution?
Thank you so much for asking Chaz's customer service department about the sourcing to their palm oil. That's a big deal.
Yay Chaz!!!
-- bebe
@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:
@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:I've been experimenting with the number of pumps I'm using. I know that Chaz always uses a lot when he's showing how to apply the mousse but I'm not sure more is better in my case. I have thin, fine hair which is almost to the middle of my back. I tried 10 pumps the other day and felt like my hair was kind of greasy when it dried. I seem to have much better luck with 4-5 pumps so while that may be much less than what I'm supposed to use for my length I get much better results with that.
@HSB1204, I have not a lot of baby fine hair that is not 3-4 inches below my shoulders (more like 7 inches below my shoulders when it just been cleansed).
When I first started using the 613 Mousse a few years back (and my hair was about 7 inches shorter), I was using 4-5 pumps of Mousse which gave me good results. -- Using more Mousse seemed to give me confusing results. Honestly, I didn't have the incentive to try to work this confusion through because, lol, that was going to cost me more Moussie moo money.
Of course, I tossed any restraint out of the window when I got my Moussie moo value trio last November. These days I use between 8-10 pumps of Mousse. I haven't figured out exactly why but for some days 10 pumps seems to be better, while for other days 8 pumps seems to be the right thing to do. -- I can't really explain it but sometimes my hair just feels as though it needs more Moussie moo.... and I'm happy to oblige.
One of these weekends, I want to experiment with Maximum Moussie moo... when I'm planning on spending the weekend at home... maybe 30-40 pumps, and see what it looks like. lol, stay tuned.
-- bebe
@bebe777 I'd be interested to hear if you can tell any difference if you added 30-40 pumps of mousse! I guess my mousse will last me quite a while if I continue using 4-5 pumps but oh well.
@HSB1204, if you and @yisbuff2 can remember to remind me to do it a few days before the President's Day weekend, then I'm definitely up for trying in.
lol, I'll even let the two of you decide how many Moussie Moo pumps to go for... lol, did I just commit to that in print... and on the internet, where nothing ever gets erased.
-- bebe, whose brain may already be fuzzy with all those thoughts of moussie moo
@bebe777 I'll see if I can remember that. Sometimes if I don't write these things down I forget five minutes later. 
But yeah, I would also save an experiment like that for a day where I either wasn't going out or where I could just wear my hair in a ponytail so that I could hide the end result if it didn't turn out as expected. 
@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:@bebe777 That's amazing! I'd be happy if I could go even one day without cleansing but unfortunately I haven't been that lucky. My hair doesn't get oily as fast as it used to but I still have to cleanse every day.
@HSB1204, normalizing my oil slick oil production Is my very favorite Wen benefit. My hair used to turn into an oil slick inside of 18 hours. I always had to shampoo my hair in the morning (as opposed to the evening), just to get through the day.
The Wen Tea Tree (TT) CC, and then the overnight tea tree oil scalp treatments changed all of that.
Over time, I found that the overnight oil treatments were much more effective than the TT CC, so I just focused on the overnight scalp treatments and stopped using the TT CC. -- That said, if I get lax about doing the overnight scalp treatments, I start noticing increased oil production in 2-3 weeks. It's not a oil slick, but it means that I have to start cleansing my hair every other day (instead of every 3-4 days). One overnight oil scalp treatment (or maybe two), very quickly normalized the oil production on my scalp again.
My best results are 1-2 overnight Wen Tea Tree / Eucalyptus Treatment Oil scalp treatment per week. While I haven't tried the other Wen Treatment Oils for my scalp, from everything I have read, the two key ingredients for your scalp (to normalize oil production) are jojoba oil and tea tree oil.
btw, what is your current regimen for balancing the oil production on your scalp?
-- bebe
@bebe777 That's pretty much how my hair was when I was using shampoo. I always washed my hair in the morning and by the time I was going to bed it was already an oil slick. After I switched to Wen my scalp doesn't feel oily until the next morning so that's obviously a lot better. Maybe it just needs a little longer before I can skip a day.
I agree that the TT CC didn't really help much in terms of normalizing my scalp. I prefer to use BGT for my first cleanse. I do try to use the oils 2-3 times a week unless I have a crazy week with other things going on. I feel like the oils help but again, I'm just not at the point where I can skip a day yet. Oh well, I don't mind enjoying the Wen scents every morning. 
@HSB1204 wrote:
@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:@bebe777 That's amazing! I'd be happy if I could go even one day without cleansing but unfortunately I haven't been that lucky. My hair doesn't get oily as fast as it used to but I still have to cleanse every day.
@HSB1204, normalizing my oil slick oil production Is my very favorite Wen benefit. My hair used to turn into an oil slick inside of 18 hours. I always had to shampoo my hair in the morning (as opposed to the evening), just to get through the day.
The Wen Tea Tree (TT) CC, and then the overnight tea tree oil scalp treatments changed all of that.
Over time, I found that the overnight oil treatments were much more effective than the TT CC, so I just focused on the overnight scalp treatments and stopped using the TT CC. -- That said, if I get lax about doing the overnight scalp treatments, I start noticing increased oil production in 2-3 weeks. It's not a oil slick, but it means that I have to start cleansing my hair every other day (instead of every 3-4 days). One overnight oil scalp treatment (or maybe two), very quickly normalized the oil production on my scalp again.
My best results are 1-2 overnight Wen Tea Tree / Eucalyptus Treatment Oil scalp treatment per week. While I haven't tried the other Wen Treatment Oils for my scalp, from everything I have read, the two key ingredients for your scalp (to normalize oil production) are jojoba oil and tea tree oil.
btw, what is your current regimen for balancing the oil production on your scalp?
-- bebe
@bebe777 That's pretty much how my hair was when I was using shampoo. I always washed my hair in the morning and by the time I was going to bed it was already an oil slick. After I switched to Wen my scalp doesn't feel oily until the next morning so that's obviously a lot better. Maybe it just needs a little longer before I can skip a day.
I agree that the TT CC didn't really help much in terms of normalizing my scalp. I prefer to use BGT for my first cleanse. I do try to use the oils 2-3 times a week unless I have a crazy week with other things going on. I feel like the oils help but again, I'm just not at the point where I can skip a day yet. Oh well, I don't mind enjoying the Wen scents every morning.
@HSB1204, wow, I always thought that my hair was the oiliest, but it looks as though you've got me beat. In terms of normalizing my scalp's oil production, I've been elated (and kind of stunned) at the turn around using Wen and doing the overnight oil treatments has achieved for my hair.
I'm really glad that Wen CC and Oils have helped normalize your scalp a bit, but it's a shame that you you still can't skip a day. -- I am so grateful not to have to worry about greasy evening time hair anymore. I really hope that your Wen results get even better as you continue using it
-- bebe
@bebe777 wrote:
@yisbuff2 wrote:
@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:I've been experimenting with the number of pumps I'm using. I know that Chaz always uses a lot when he's showing how to apply the mousse but I'm not sure more is better in my case. I have thin, fine hair which is almost to the middle of my back. I tried 10 pumps the other day and felt like my hair was kind of greasy when it dried. I seem to have much better luck with 4-5 pumps so while that may be much less than what I'm supposed to use for my length I get much better results with that.
@HSB1204, I have not a lot of baby fine hair that is not 3-4 inches below my shoulders (more like 7 inches below my shoulders when it just been cleansed).
When I first started using the 613 Mousse a few years back (and my hair was about 7 inches shorter), I was using 4-5 pumps of Mousse which gave me good results. -- Using more Mousse seemed to give me confusing results. Honestly, I didn't have the incentive to try to work this confusion through because, lol, that was going to cost me more Moussie moo money.
Of course, I tossed any restraint out of the window when I got my Moussie moo value trio last November. These days I use between 8-10 pumps of Mousse. I haven't figured out exactly why but for some days 10 pumps seems to be better, while for other days 8 pumps seems to be the right thing to do. -- I can't really explain it but sometimes my hair just feels as though it needs more Moussie moo.... and I'm happy to oblige.
One of these weekends, I want to experiment with Maximum Moussie moo... when I'm planning on spending the weekend at home... maybe 30-40 pumps, and see what it looks like. lol, stay tuned.
-- bebe
Just chiming in @bebe777 to say I would LOVE to see the Moussie Moo Maxium YOU! I'm up to between 20-30 as of today (12ish on the lower, 12ish on the upper, a few more in the middle). MOUSSETACULAR~!
@yisbuff2, lol, I'll be sure to let you know.
Before Wen, I absolutely had to shampoo my hair every morning just to look presentable... but, just this past week, I went for a whole week between cleanses. -- Using Wen has saved me soooo much time!!!
-- bebe, a Maximum Moussie Moo Wen girl
@bebe777, I don't actually know what you look like, but I've now relocated you in the previously discussed JEM style with GIANT, AMAZING Moussied up hair. Faaaaaabulous darling!
@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:
@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:@bebe777 That's amazing! I'd be happy if I could go even one day without cleansing but unfortunately I haven't been that lucky. My hair doesn't get oily as fast as it used to but I still have to cleanse every day.
@HSB1204, normalizing my oil slick oil production Is my very favorite Wen benefit. My hair used to turn into an oil slick inside of 18 hours. I always had to shampoo my hair in the morning (as opposed to the evening), just to get through the day.
The Wen Tea Tree (TT) CC, and then the overnight tea tree oil scalp treatments changed all of that.
Over time, I found that the overnight oil treatments were much more effective than the TT CC, so I just focused on the overnight scalp treatments and stopped using the TT CC. -- That said, if I get lax about doing the overnight scalp treatments, I start noticing increased oil production in 2-3 weeks. It's not a oil slick, but it means that I have to start cleansing my hair every other day (instead of every 3-4 days). One overnight oil scalp treatment (or maybe two), very quickly normalized the oil production on my scalp again.
My best results are 1-2 overnight Wen Tea Tree / Eucalyptus Treatment Oil scalp treatment per week. While I haven't tried the other Wen Treatment Oils for my scalp, from everything I have read, the two key ingredients for your scalp (to normalize oil production) are jojoba oil and tea tree oil.
btw, what is your current regimen for balancing the oil production on your scalp?
-- bebe
@bebe777 That's pretty much how my hair was when I was using shampoo. I always washed my hair in the morning and by the time I was going to bed it was already an oil slick. After I switched to Wen my scalp doesn't feel oily until the next morning so that's obviously a lot better. Maybe it just needs a little longer before I can skip a day.
I agree that the TT CC didn't really help much in terms of normalizing my scalp. I prefer to use BGT for my first cleanse. I do try to use the oils 2-3 times a week unless I have a crazy week with other things going on. I feel like the oils help but again, I'm just not at the point where I can skip a day yet. Oh well, I don't mind enjoying the Wen scents every morning.
@HSB1204, wow, I always thought that my hair was the oiliest, but it looks as though you've got me beat. In terms of normalizing my scalp's oil production, I've been elated (and kind of stunned) at the turn around using Wen and doing the overnight oil treatments has achieved for my hair.
I'm really glad that Wen CC and Oils have helped normalize your scalp a bit, but it's a shame that you you still can't skip a day. -- I am so grateful not to have to worry about greasy evening time hair anymore. I really hope that your Wen results get even better as you continue using it
-- bebe
@bebe777 Yes, maybe it's just going slower for me but I still think it's pretty good that I can go a full 24 hours before my scalp starts to get oily. It's slow but good progress!
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