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lovestopaint · ‎03-10-2010

I totally agree with you Jubilant.

Samara · ‎11-23-2010

The originator of this thread has reopened this all over again. In message 19 she invites moderators to take note and sanitize I am sure any messages that are not in favor of her cause. Also, I note in message 19 that no matter a kitten, teen, cat, adult., all animals can be in need as anyone involved with animals should know. If it was a teen cat , then the poster felt that was OK. In message 22 she equates that the host needs to be saved more than the animal. Animals have shelters and hopefully good homes. People have and I better not say more, etc. Take note that many posters on this subject are not frequent posters and had perfectly innocent posts deleted but this issue was just too much and they had to speak up. There have been issues before and this utterance just pushed it over the top. Once again if there is a misunderstanding step in quickly accept responsibility. This was not done, just excuses, blaming others, which inflamed people even more when they were not the cause. No, this did not involve animal cruelty just by the mere mention which was not necessary continued to bring this myth to the forefront. If it was not realized at the time, it should be realized now and perhaps not repeated.

dooBdoo · ‎06-27-2010

Thank you, @jubilant, for your kind words. My feelings aren’t hurt, I just hate seeing the complex discussion turning into people taking sides or feeling misunderstood. Yes, I know how it feels to be criticized as I think we all do, as human beings, and some of us probably have even known how it feels in a public arena or at our workplace… but I think there’s a communication problem here in general as a result of having several issues at play.

1 — In some cases, hosts are placed on a pedestal and are the recipient of constant praise, other hosts are repeatedly criticized and vilified. I don’t think either of these extremes is healthy or realistic, but I confess I don’t completely understand either of these extremes and probably never will.

2 — As others have said, when social media is used we have to take the good with the bad. To be fair, take a look just at the public Facebook page of any of the hosts — for the most part, they’re given glowing support, even fawning adoration.

But for public or private figures, whether with good or ill intent, their words will be perceived and interpreted in many different ways and people will post their feelings. Just because we can doesn’t mean we should, but that isn’t going to stop the discussions.

My feeling is when people stoop below addressing the issue and start attacking the person, they’ve just displayed their own character instead of demeaning their target. It's the "attacker's" character that's on exhibit. So, really, we don’t have to point it out — it’s there for all to see. I think this quote says it well:

"You don't have to disrespect and insult others simply to hold your own ground.

If you do, that shows how shaky your own position is.”

~Red Haircrow

3 — Shawn made a comment which caused considerable upset among many people. She makes comments every day on the air and on social media, but most of them don’t generate this kind of response. To my way of thinking, that could've caused her to pay attention to the reasons behind the upset and use it for something positive. She had the opportunity to step back, see that the response in large part was about horrendous abuse of black cats, apologize because of being unaware, and then use her platform to educate those who didn’t know. She didn’t do this, but frankly it’s her choice.

4 — The moderators on these forums are humans who try to review hundreds and hundreds of posts and do their best to interpret the standards and also to respond to the PTB who govern the work they do. We posters also are humans with human reactions. I used to rail against the way others post… eventually I came to accept that I can only control my own actions, words, and reactions. Doesn't keep me from getting frustrated sometimes, but it helps.

Apologies for the length, but as I said I think the controversy is complicated by trying to address too many issues at one time. In general, I think we’re all more alike than different and when we separate out the variables we probably agree on more than we realize. This is all just my opinion, probably worth everything I was paid for it... I realize everyone else's "mileage may vary."

Few things reveal your intellect and your generosity of spirit—the parallel powers of your heart and mind—better than how you give feedback.~Maria Popova

jubilant · ‎06-10-2010

@dooBdoo wrote:

Thank you, @jubilant, for your kind words. My feelings aren’t hurt, I just hate seeing the complex discussion turning into people taking sides or feeling misunderstood.   Yes, I know how it feels to be criticized as I think we all do, as human beings, and some of us probably have even known how it feels in a public arena or at our workplace… but I think there’s a communication problem here in general as a result of having issues at play.

1 — In some cases, hosts are placed on a pedestal and are the recipient of constant praise, other hosts are repeatedly criticized and vilified. I don’t think either of these extremes is healthy or realistic, but I confess I don’t completely understand either of these extremes and probably never will.

2 — As others have said, when social media is used we have to take the good with the bad. To be fair, take a look just at the public Facebook page of any of the hosts — for the most part, they’re given glowing support, even fawning adoration.

But for public or private figures, whether with good or ill intent, their words will be perceived and interpreted in many different ways and people will post their feelings. Just because we can doesn’t mean we should, but that isn’t going to stop the discussions.

My feeling is when people stoop below addressing the issue and start attacking the person, they’ve just displayed their own character instead of demeaning their target. It's the "attacker's" character that's on exhibit. So, really, we don’t have to point it out — it’s there for all to see. I think this quote says it well:

"You don't have to disrespect and insult others simply to hold your own ground.
If you do, that shows how shaky your own position is.”
~Red Haircrow

3 — Shawn made a comment which caused considerable upset among many people. She makes comments every day on the air and on social media, but most of them don’t generate this kind of response. To my way of thinking, that could've caused her to pay attention to the reasons behind the upset and use it for something positive. She had the opportunity to step back, see that the response in large part was about horrendous abuse of black cats, apologize because of being unaware, and then use her platform to educate those who didn’t know.   She didn’t do this, but frankly it’s her choice.

4 — The moderators on these forums are humans who try to review hundreds and hundreds of posts and do their best to interpret the standards and also to respond to the PTB who govern the work they do. We posters also are humans with human reactions. I used to rail against the way others post… eventually I came to accept that I can only control my own actions, words, and reactions. Doesn't keep me from getting frustrated sometimes, but it helps.

Apologies for the length, but as I said I think the controversy is complicated by trying to address too many issues at one time. In general, I think we’re all more alike than different and when we separate out the variables we probably agree on more than we realize. This is all just my opinion, probably worth everything I was paid for it... I realize everyone else's "mileage may vary."

********dooBdoo I appreciate the time you and others have taken to post. Usually, I agree with a lot of things you say...but I just can't on this one. This was a whole lot more than getting information out there on the cruelty to black cats. This was a whole lot more than a misunderstanding. It might have started out that way but that is not where it went. The QVC standards talk about defamation. That is where this went and that is when it should have been stopped. There was plenty of anger disgust, and yes, even hate. You could just feel it escalating. It was as obvious as the nose on my face. I cannot justify it for any reason. The attackers showed their colors, but the recipient was the most hurt. Maybe she should have worded it better. I get that. Let's just say....she paid a heavy price for that mistake. The punishment was far worse than the deed.

Samara · ‎11-23-2010

Please folks, please reread messages 32 and 33 and the postings of the thread originator and I think you will get the picture and know what we are dealing with here. I do not want to go into specifics--just saying. This thread should never have been started. Moderators of qvc, have the powers that be talk to the host with a one on one--have her weigh her words before she speaks--if problem arises mend the issue quickly--move on--get back to the real purpose of qvc. There is a real problem if a host needs a self-appointed caretaker to play the violin for them on a message board for a problem they initiated and then reverse blame and place any blame on others because they reacted. Talk to your host and have her take responsibility and none of this would have ever gone any further. Suggest you close this thread as you did the other thread concerning this issue.

Lyttlewyng · ‎08-06-2012

Well said MaggieMack.

It's true when hosts are encouraged to use their FB to promote themselves in order to promote QVC, it opens up areas of discussion that will cover the pros and cons of any given issue.

I'm sorry that the host felt personally attacked over her comments but her remarks about the "black cat superstition" coupled by admitting her fear only feeds the fear in others, especially those who follow Shawn and hold on to her every word as truth. Consequently, that perpetuates the antiquated idea that all black cats bring negativity and bad luck and gives reason for mistreatment of animals.

Moreover, in her rebuttal, I saw no acknowledgement of her misspeaking.

SK may be an adequate sales person but some of the ways she chooses to cavalierly ad lib or improvise her sales chat are unprofessional, in my opinion. It reminds me of the time Martha Stewart fired her from the Apprentice. Her parting advice to Shawn was to "Think before you speak."

~ To Know, To Dare, To Will, To Remain Silent ~

jubilant · ‎06-10-2010

Samara....You need not worry. I am done here. When I keep repeating myself, I need to stop. I won't be making another post. I spoke from my heart....that's all I can say to you.

Samara · ‎11-23-2010

Jubilant, I never worried and I, too, spoke from my heart.

Please, everyone go back to message 36 from Lyttlewyng. She does not seem to post often but when she does there is wisdom. I was hoping her post would be the final one.

Lucky Charm · ‎03-09-2010

@Samara wrote:
Please folks, please reread messages 32 and 33 and the postings of the thread originator and I think you will get the picture and know what we are dealing with here. I do not want to go into specifics--just saying. This thread should never have been started. Moderators of qvc, have the powers that be talk to the host with a one on one--have her weigh her words before she speaks--if problem arises mend the issue quickly--move on--get back to the real purpose of qvc. There is a real problem if a host needs a self-appointed caretaker to play the violin for them on a message board for a problem they initiated and then reverse blame and place any blame on others because they reacted. Talk to your host and have her take responsibility and none of this would have ever gone any further. Suggest you close this thread as you did the other thread concerning this issue.

You're message 32. You want us to re-read your message??