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[dooBdoo]

It bothers me to see everyone who protested about the proliferation of the black-cat superstition condemned as being wrong, or unkind, or intent upon attacking a host. 

I still think some people are missing the point some of us were trying to make.  

I posted one time on the now-closed thread.   As I said then, I don’t think I’ve ever posted anything about Shawn in the past and my concern about superstitions which relate to abhorrent abuse involves everyone…  not just a particular host. 

Also, it wasn't about the weather, and it’s not about kittens, it’s about the black cat superstition — black cats of all sizes.  

I said in my post on the closed thread that it’s such a great opportunity for educating everyone, and so I echo what @Buck-i-Nana wrote:

"It would have gone a long way, IMHO, if Shawn at least acknowledged that, admitting she was unaware it was such an awful thing and apologize!  We all make mistakes, don't compound it by not learning from them."

We still have that opportunity, rather than using this situation to foster hard feelings among fellow posters.

Although I strongly dislike the fact that some posters might jump at any chance to host-bash, not everyone who posted on this topic had an ax to grind with Shawn.  Not all of us are host bashers, and to try and diminish the value of our opinions in that way also might have the essence of "bullying" (although I think that term has been terribly overused) and is troublesome and unfortunate in my opinion.

In all fairness, it would be helpful to give some of us the benefit of the doubt, too.

[jubilant]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear.  I am not targeting those who protest animal cruelty....only those who used it to attack someone's character or those just looking for anything they can use to make a matter worse.  It creates a "frenzy" and gets way blown out of proportion.  This should never have turned into "animal cruelty"  because it was not!  We need to get our facts straight before we post.  People didn't want to see that there could have been extinuating circumstances.  They just wanted Shawn to look as badly as they could make her look brcause they don't like her.  It is these people I am targeting.  Have you ever been accused of something that you didn't do or had people think you were something you were not?  Nothing is more painful than to be that  misunderstood.     Rescue the cat if you'd like.  It was my opinion that Shawn needed  someone to rescue her more than the cat did!      

[jubilant]

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@dooBdoo wrote:

It bothers me to see everyone who protested about the proliferation of the black-cat superstition condemned as being wrong, or unkind, or intent upon attacking a host. 

I still think some people are missing the point some of us were trying to make.  

I posted one time on the now-closed thread.   As I said then, I don’t think I’ve ever posted anything about Shawn in the past and my concern about superstitions which relate to abhorrent abuse involves everyone…  not just a particular host. 

Also, it wasn't about the weather, and it’s not about kittens, it’s about the black cat superstition — black cats of all sizes.  

I said in my post on the closed thread that it’s such a great opportunity for educating everyone, and so I echo what @Buck-i-Nana wrote:

"It would have gone a long way, IMHO, if Shawn at least acknowledged that, admitting she was unaware it was such an awful thing and apologize!  We all make mistakes, don't compound it by not learning from them."

We still have that opportunity, rather than using this situation to foster hard feelings among fellow posters.

Although I strongly dislike the fact that some posters might jump at any chance to host-bash, not everyone who posted on this topic had an ax to grind with Shawn.  Not all of us are host bashers, and to try and diminish the value of our opinions in that way also might have the essence of "bullying" (although I think that term has been terribly overused) and is troublesome and unfortunate in my opinion.

In all fairness, it would be helpful to give some of us the benefit of the doubt, too.

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*************dooBdoo....I know you are a person who feels other peoples pain and there are others here I see that is true of.  I am sorry if I hurt your feelings...... but  what are we supposed to think?  In the last 3 or 4 pages of that  topic, here are some of the words used to describe Shawn:

Callous, hypocritical, unforgiveable, ignorant, prejudice, lack of compassion, insincere, egotistical, animal abuse....and one that even said,  I despise her,  I went through a very few pages and cared to read no more.  I mean if that isn't character assassination....I don't know what is?????  How would we like to be called all those things....and publically to boot.....and at our job site.  My gosh!!

[Buck-i-Nana]

@jubilant - I believe DbD and I and many of the others who posted regarding the issue of Black cats have never bashed Shawn.  I know I haven't.  Why dismiss what we have posted regarding the abuse, mutilation and killing of black cats especially during the Halloween season because some people are over the top and obviously have an axe to grind regarding Shawn?  Most of us did NOT accuse Shawn of being an abuser, far from it.

Personally, I find with this issue as with many important issues, the extremist clamor unfortunately does more harm than good for their cause.  Please don't dismiss a good and worthy message because you don't like some of the messengers.

[Spurt]

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@Moonchilde wrote:

Basically, QVC needs to create a blanket taboo - no forum members may comment on any host or vendor, good or bad, period. The end.

No poster has the "right" to trash another poster. Why should they assume they can trash hosts

ad nauseum?  It is not constructive criticism. It is not "I would think QVC would want to know." No matter what the protestations of innocence, or "helping" the host or QVC, IT.IS.BASHING - and it will continue forever - and is much, much worse and more frequent on the new forums than the old.

Moderator: This person has started 5 host-bashing threads in 4 days. That's enough. Make note of her IP, warn her, and if she starts #8 she's out."

The rest of the forum:  Yaaay!

It's sad that a few people with the emotional maturity of 13 year olds have to make something like that necessary.

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@Moonchilde  QVC created this mess themselves by emphasizing the hosts instead of the products, and creating a perhaps too common "familiarity" with some of the host's own postings on their Facebook pages and other social media. 

The lewd, crude, and rude comments should be stopped that is why the Moderators are more involved now in the Forums, BUT as a customer I think we have the right to provide QVC with constructive criticisms such as too much time devoted on host's personal lives (for example, Shawn's playlist--come on QVC) instead of providing valid merchandise information!!!   And I see by latest financial reports returns are up---if customers obtained more info about QVC's products this might help reduce SOME of QVC's returns too. So I disagree on this being taken away from the Website Forums, this happened on a different form of social media anyway, from what I understand the hosts can moderate and control their own Facebook and other Social Media platforms from what other hosts have said. ....If you are in the public eye unfortuantely you are now open to all kind of comments and remarks, welcome to the 21st Century Shawn and the age of social media....

[Spurt]

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@MaggieMack wrote:

When the entity QVC thought it was a great idea to have their hosts all have QVC host Facebook pages, they opened the doors. Ditto Instagram or Twitter. And they push people to these pages! So, if the hosts don't want to engage the universe and receive posts that are less than all sweetness and light, those hosts should be prepared to post only innocuous comments that no sensible person can disagree with. It's why I don't post on a FB page. Not worth the potential vitriol that it could generate. IMO, SK didn't think through her post before hitting return. Maybe she needs a gatekeeper over her posts and another one to fact check the statements she's made through the years. I used to adore her, lately it just seems like a nonstop sales pitch. Good for QVC, not so good for her.

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@MaggieMack  Well said.......

[Moonchilde]

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@Spurt wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

Basically, QVC needs to create a blanket taboo - no forum members may comment on any host or vendor, good or bad, period. The end.

No poster has the "right" to trash another poster. Why should they assume they can trash hosts

ad nauseum?  It is not constructive criticism. It is not "I would think QVC would want to know." No matter what the protestations of innocence, or "helping" the host or QVC, IT.IS.BASHING - and it will continue forever - and is much, much worse and more frequent on the new forums than the old.

Moderator: This person has started 5 host-bashing threads in 4 days. That's enough. Make note of her IP, warn her, and if she starts #8 she's out."

The rest of the forum:  Yaaay!

It's sad that a few people with the emotional maturity of 13 year olds have to make something like that necessary.

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@Moonchilde  QVC created this mess themselves by emphasizing the hosts instead of the products, and creating a perhaps too common "familiarity" with some of the host's own postings on their Facebook pages and other social media. 

The lewd, crude, and rude comments should be stopped that is why the Moderators are more involved now in the Forums, BUT as a customer I think we have the right to provide QVC with constructive criticisms such as too much time devoted on host's personal lives (for example, Shawn's playlist--come on QVC) instead of providing valid merchandise information!!!   And I see by latest financial reports returns are up---if customers obtained more info about QVC's products this might help reduce SOME of QVC's returns too. So I disagree on this being taken away from the Website Forums, this happened on a different form of social media anyway, from what I understand the hosts can moderate and control their own Facebook and other Social Media platforms from what other hosts have said. ....If you are in the public eye unfortuantely you are now open to all kind of comments and remarks, welcome to the 21st Century Shawn and the age of social media....

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I don't buy the whole "it's QVC's fault/it's the host's fault" thing. We are supposed to be adults here. Any sort of "oooh, they gave me an opening/loophole I can use to bash X" is pretty pitiful IMO.

There are hosts I don't like, and turn off after a few minutes or just turn the channel. It never occurs to me to "declare" my dislike anywhere on the internet. I have better things to do, and in all seriousness, no one cares anyway. Truly. "they SHOULD care. Maybe someday they might care" doesn't change anything.

QVC only cares about sales numbers. Supposed "customers" (although many claims are made about not shopping any more) who won't buy because of X's face, Y's voice and C's physical antics matter ZERO to QVC as long as sales numbers are good for those hosts.

The "constructive criticism QVC needs to pay attention to for their own good" is meaningless to QVC as long as the sales #s are good. Fort he few who who have the continual ongoing odd compulsion to post trash talk on the forums about QVC as a company, its products, its hosts and its vendors, there are hundreds of thousands BUYING, much, much more than canceling out a handful of peoples' daily doo.

Post away - but on the QVC forums at least, it will be given the attention it deserves by QVC - i.e. they're not going to change to suit, and will delete "constructive" comments and "discussions" as they choose. As they should.

[Spurt]

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@GingerPeach wrote:

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@Buck-i-Nana wrote:

For the record, I dont' condone attacking anyone - hosts, vendors or other forum participants.  That said, I read Shawn's FB posting and she specifically talked about instagram, not this forum.  Instagram apparently became a war-zone between some animal rights folks and some Shawn fans/protectors - both sides contribute to those wars.  We've seen that behavior here as well.  The moderators here did remove those posts that went over the top here as well as the posts that got personal from one poster to another.  They have since of course locked the thread.

I don't see how Shawn's posting on FB solves anything, honestly.  I understand she was hurt, but she needs to step back and think about what many people posted regarding the topic in a reasonable manner.  What many folks tried to convey was that it isn't something to joke about because torture and killing of black cats around Halloween is an ugly problem.  It would have gone a long way, IMHO, if Shawn at least acknowledged that, admitting she was unaware it was such an awful thing and apologize!  We all make mistakes, don't compound it by not learning from them.

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Here is, I think, the heart of the issue (in bold).  All I read on Instagram was a whole lot of defensiveness and not one word about responsibility from SK.  Well said, @Buck-i-Nana

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@GingerPeach  Homegirl I agree with you...and unfortunately RESPONSIBILITY has become a dirty word.....

[Spurt]

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@Moonchilde wrote:

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@Spurt wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

Basically, QVC needs to create a blanket taboo - no forum members may comment on any host or vendor, good or bad, period. The end.

No poster has the "right" to trash another poster. Why should they assume they can trash hosts

ad nauseum?  It is not constructive criticism. It is not "I would think QVC would want to know." No matter what the protestations of innocence, or "helping" the host or QVC, IT.IS.BASHING - and it will continue forever - and is much, much worse and more frequent on the new forums than the old.

Moderator: This person has started 5 host-bashing threads in 4 days. That's enough. Make note of her IP, warn her, and if she starts #8 she's out."

The rest of the forum:  Yaaay!

It's sad that a few people with the emotional maturity of 13 year olds have to make something like that necessary.

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@Moonchilde  QVC created this mess themselves by emphasizing the hosts instead of the products, and creating a perhaps too common "familiarity" with some of the host's own postings on their Facebook pages and other social media. 

The lewd, crude, and rude comments should be stopped that is why the Moderators are more involved now in the Forums, BUT as a customer I think we have the right to provide QVC with constructive criticisms such as too much time devoted on host's personal lives (for example, Shawn's playlist--come on QVC) instead of providing valid merchandise information!!!   And I see by latest financial reports returns are up---if customers obtained more info about QVC's products this might help reduce SOME of QVC's returns too. So I disagree on this being taken away from the Website Forums, this happened on a different form of social media anyway, from what I understand the hosts can moderate and control their own Facebook and other Social Media platforms from what other hosts have said. ....If you are in the public eye unfortuantely you are now open to all kind of comments and remarks, welcome to the 21st Century Shawn and the age of social media....

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I don't buy the whole "it's QVC's fault/it's the host's fault" thing. We are supposed to be adults here. Any sort of "oooh, they gave me an opening/loophole I can use to bash X" is pretty pitiful IMO.

There are hosts I don't like, and turn off after a few minutes or just turn the channel. It never occurs to me to "declare" my dislike anywhere on the internet. I have better things to do, and in all seriousness, no one cares anyway. Truly. "they SHOULD care. Maybe someday they might care" doesn't change anything.

QVC only cares about sales numbers. Supposed "customers" (although many claims are made about not shopping any more) who won't buy because of X's face, Y's voice and C's physical antics matter ZERO to QVC as long as sales numbers are good for those hosts.

The "constructive criticism QVC needs to pay attention to for their own good" is meaningless to QVC as long as the sales #s are good. Fort he few who who have the continual ongoing odd compulsion to post trash talk on the forums about QVC as a company, its products, its hosts and its vendors, there are hundreds of thousands BUYING, much, much more than canceling out a handful of peoples' daily doo.

Post away - but on the QVC forums at least, it will be given the attention it deserves by QVC - i.e. they're not going to change to suit, and will delete "constructive" comments and "discussions" as they choose. As they should.

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@Moonchilde  And last I looked this is after all a SHOPPING CHANNEL FORUM and a way to gather customer feedback (some companies pay a fortune for third parties to gather what QVC gathers here)....the social chatter part is just a bonus to keep QVC customers engaged and connected to the website in hopes they make a sale..... 

If it's a vendor that's seldom on sometimes you are stuck with a particular host if the vendor doesn't have any more shows in the near future....Shawn is not on my dislike or like list there are others that I do have an opinion about their "techniques" As I was always told when social media first started...."everything is out there and all kinds of people put on your big girl pants and deal with it"...OR create your own website where you have total control.....

[Moonchilde]

LOL. I oops hearted Spurt's post, but when I thought about it for a second, it's fine. She was after all reiterating what I'd already said - that QVC takes as much notice of customer commentary as they feel like...or not.