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[stevieb]

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@Kachina624 wrote:

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@fthunt wrote:

I don't know why you're posting this either. Mods seem to erase unkind postings quickly although many of us are in agreement - and are thinking the same.  Nobody can force us to always like what we see on the Q.

Hope you have a happy day!

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ITA, @fthunt  I rarely see much in the way of snarky remarks because the mods ****** them in the bud.  All people in the public eye put themselves in the position of receiving criticism; it goes with the territory.  I do see and often agree with comments about certain hosts being hard to understand because they talk so fast and/or mumble.  I consider this sort of criticism justified.

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@Kachina624 @fthunt I agree with you both and others of this ilk... I also think maybe it's about time some folks clarified for themselves the differences between 'cyber bullying', 'bashing' and expressing a negative and/or critical opinion. Not all criticisms fall into the other two categories, as some would seem to think... In my opinion, actual instances of bullying or bashing on these forums are few and far between these days, but some appear to have become enamored of the terms and toss them out there, often inappropriately...

[Scorpio2]

I agree with you Spurt.  We have higher standards than others and companies want to hear the good as well as the bad.  Anyone who has had a job knows that you must be professional on every level.  

[Moonchilde]

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@Spurt wrote:

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@Moonchilde wrote:

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@TX-starlight wrote:

@jlkz I completely agree. Hosts & QVC should take some of the negative to see what they can improve. If you post anything negative on a hosts page, all it gets you is blocked from posting. Constructive criticism can help a host or company improve. 

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You do understand that quite a few posters on these forums think “Host X looks like a fat ugly sausage in that sweater” is constructive criticism and see nothing wrong with it? 

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@Moonchilde

COME ON---thats not constructive anyone with common sense should know that...and that comment should definitely be deleted as a violation.  Now if they said Host X is wearing their clothes too tight and it's not an enticement to make a sale, that's a constructive comment.... 

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@Spurt -

My point was that yes that’s NOT constructive criticism (duh), but posters use ‘constructive criticism’ as an excuse and then knowingly post it anyway - every day here. 

As is frequently the case whenever discussion of host-bashing occurs, what should be allowed, what should not, etc, the assumption that of course, everyone knows bashing when they see it, is simply not true, in the sense that there are quite a few posters who would post what I said above and then claim it’s constructive criticism and they should be allowed to continue posting it because they  say it is.  

It’s up to the moderators to decide what goes or stays, and what is appropriate and what isn’t, not the poster.

It’s ridiculous to read that kind of bashing (which occurs here every hour at least) and then listen to the poster defend themselves with “well I didn’t think it was offensive, I just think it’s honest (or true) so I said it.”

”Offensive” and “inappropriate are not able to be recognized (apparently) by all posters. So the moderators need to do what they do. It’s not up to individual posters to say “well I think that’s okay, that’s not, that is, isn’t” etc. It’s not what posters think that counts, it’s what the moderators think and what QVC wants/doesn’t want/allows.

[Deanie]

@Moonchilde  Excellent point

[febe1]

I think the talk of fellow posters having nefarious intentions on the board is a bit over thought.

Different posts are written and looked at with interest by some posters for different reasons, b/c of the differencce in people. Some posters look at most posts positively, while others look at posts critically. I think this has to do with our experiences.

Some posters all their working life and b/c of their positions, have to look at things with a critical eye. This isn't a bad person. Everything they look at is to be evaluated. Is this good, bad or O.K. They see what is wrong with it automatically and expect it to be excellent or at least good.

I see trolls and I see some are called trolls, and they aren't trolls. Many complain about "bashers", when they are just seeing  

critically.

I see very little "bashing" on the board. I even see mods deleting posts as "unkind" or other removals as too many. This is fashion and beauty. We expect to see the representatives to be knowledgeable about them. That's why there's negative responses.

I see little or no "bullying." Because several disagree with you, and you collapse, does not make it bullyiing.

I would hate to see this board anymore restricted. I think it would be the end of it.

[Mothertrucker]

I, for one, consider it to be bullying when posters post overly critical and downright mean things about hosts, knowing they are not allowed to come on and defend themselves..in fact, I would  venture a guess that the inability for the victim to defend themselves is the definition of “bullying”...

And it is seen frequently here....

[Moonchilde]

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@Mothertrucker wrote:

I, for one, consider it to be bullying when posters post overly critical and downright mean things about hosts, knowing they are not allowed to come on and defend themselves..in fact, I would  venture a guess that the inability for the victim to defend themselves is the definition of “bullying”...

And it is seen frequently here....

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Two thoughts:

How can you bully someone who most likely isn’t even seeing the comments, or most of them? It’s like if a tree falls in the forest and no one’s around to hear, does it make a noise?  I don’t think you can bully someone who is unaware of it.

Define “inability to defend” in the larger sense. I understand your meaning that a QVC employee can’t blast back at customers, but as far as the forums in general, adults can defend themselves (or ignore it, or report it). 

The bullying issue/criteria aside, comments on hair, makeup, voice, weight, clothing, home life, morals, etc are just so junior high/middle school. 

[faeriemoon]

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@Mothertrucker wrote:

I, for one, consider it to be bullying when posters post overly critical and downright mean things about hosts, knowing they are not allowed to come on and defend themselves..in fact, I would  venture a guess that the inability for the victim to defend themselves is the definition of “bullying”...

And it is seen frequently here....

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The mods defend the hosts by deleting comments.  I don't often see comments that I would consider bullying.

[blackhole99]

If you notice, the hosts who do not make their sales pitch personal, usually are not commented on. When the pitch is strictly business there does not seem to be an issue, but the host who has to bring herself and family into it to make the sale is at risk for comment. It seems they can't have it both ways. It also seems like there is a lot of moralizing that goes on here.

[faeriemoon]

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@blackhole99 wrote:

If you notice, the hosts who do not make their sales pitch personal, usually are not commented on. When the pitch is strictly business there does not seem to be an issue, but the host who has to bring herself and family into it to make the sale is at risk for comment. It seems they can't have it both ways. It also seems like there is a lot of moralizing that goes on here.

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@blackhole99 wrote:

If you notice, the hosts who do not make their sales pitch personal, usually are not commented on. When the pitch is strictly business there does not seem to be an issue, but the host who has to bring herself and family into it to make the sale is at risk for comment. It seems they can't have it both ways. It also seems like there is a lot of moralizing that goes on here.

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I think that we just don't like the BSing.  But since most of the sales profession is BSing, I think maybe we just don't like when it is painfully obvious.