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[JeanLouiseFinch]

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@THEY CallMe Mr Wilkes wrote:

I'm surprised that a serious Carnivore would consume coffee, considering it's plant derived. 

But as with everything I guess that there are degrees of Carnivorism.

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That's a good question.  I think it's allowed, @THEY CallMe Mr Wilkes, because the justification is that they aren't consuming the actual plant.🤷‍♀️  They're are health benefits to coffee too but an ultra strict carnivore may avoid it.  

[Klimt]

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@Effie54 wrote:

I believe in very healthy eating, but I do enjoy my chocolate. I'm not giving that up. Gluten doesn't disrupt my gut, and not everyone has celiac disease. I don't and won't eat fast food nor processed food. Each individual has their own preferences. 

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One percent of the population has diagnosed Celiac.

[Zhills]

Coffee does contain fiber!

[JeanLouiseFinch]

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@Zhills wrote:

Coffe does contain fiber!

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A very small amount that has minimal impact, @Zhills .  I'm guessing the same is likely for tea.  Keep in mind that while some carnivores will make the exception to drink them, it's not with the intent of getting fiber but more for the caffeine kick.  Strict carnies will stick to water, bone broth, and electrolytes.

[Trinity11]

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@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:

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@Zhills wrote:

Coffe does contain fiber!

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A very amount that has minimal impact, @Zhills .  I'm guessing the same is likely for tea.  Keep in mind that while some carnivores will make the exception to drink them, it's not with the intent of getting fiber but more for the caffeine kick.  Strict carnies will stick to water, bone broth, and electrolytes.

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@JeanLouiseFinch , just a question. I know you have lost weight on a low carb diet? I needed to lose 25 pounds due to stress eating and used a low carb diet to do so.(about 30 grams) I eat fish, chicken, vegetables but I need to avoid high potassium vegetables because of kidney disease. I eliminated bread, no more pizza or pasta, basically most dairy except mozzarella and half and half in coffee. No fruit. I had plenty of olive oil. I lost the weight but did count calories. Also did intermittent fasting. First meal usually around noon to 1. Do drink coffee, though. 2 meals per day.

Do you find that you count calories? Everyone on Reddit pretty much told me the only way to lose weight is caloric restriction. Do you think that is true? Or does forgoing carbs rev up metabolism? Thank you for your expertise on the subject. I enjoy reading your knowledge of the subject.

[JeanLouiseFinch]

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:

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@Zhills wrote:

Coffe does contain fiber!

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A very amount that has minimal impact, @Zhills .  I'm guessing the same is likely for tea.  Keep in mind that while some carnivores will make the exception to drink them, it's not with the intent of getting fiber but more for the caffeine kick.  Strict carnies will stick to water, bone broth, and electrolytes.

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@JeanLouiseFinch , just a question. I know you have lost weight on a low carb diet? I needed to lose 25 pounds due to stress eating and used a low carb diet to do so.(about 30 grams) I eat fish, chicken, vegetables but I need to avoid high potassium vegetables because of kidney disease. I eliminated bread, no more pizza or pasta, basically most dairy except mozzarella and half and half in coffee. No fruit. I had plenty of olive oil. I lost the weight but did count calories. Also did intermittent fasting. First meal usually around noon to 1. Do drink coffee, though. 2 meals per day.

Do you find that you count calories? Everyone on Reddit pretty much told me the only way to lose weight is caloric restriction. Do you think that is true? Or does forgoing carbs rev up metabolism? Thank you for your expertise on the subject. I enjoy reading your knowledge of the subject.

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@Trinity11 - significant reduction in carbs will trigger fat burning rather than sugar burning but it's also important to eat enough healthy fat.  Low carb combined with low fat is a bad idea, dangerous even.  I also believe that managing calories within one's designated macros is also needed.  Too much "legal" food can cause a stall or even a gain.  I lost my weight over a 2.5 yr. time span between June 2019 and January 2022. Last year I got careless. I  ignored what I know to be true and ended up regaining a few pounds.  A little extra of some good things here and there, cheating with manufactured "keto" foods and it creeps back. I use a tracking app called Carb Manager.  When it's all there in black and white, there's no relying on guessing and it keeps you motivated, as long as you're honest with entering your foods.  If you decide to try the app and have questions, I can try to help.  

[Trinity11]

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@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:

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@Zhills wrote:

Coffe does contain fiber!

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A very amount that has minimal impact, @Zhills .  I'm guessing the same is likely for tea.  Keep in mind that while some carnivores will make the exception to drink them, it's not with the intent of getting fiber but more for the caffeine kick.  Strict carnies will stick to water, bone broth, and electrolytes.

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@JeanLouiseFinch , just a question. I know you have lost weight on a low carb diet? I needed to lose 25 pounds due to stress eating and used a low carb diet to do so.(about 30 grams) I eat fish, chicken, vegetables but I need to avoid high potassium vegetables because of kidney disease. I eliminated bread, no more pizza or pasta, basically most dairy except mozzarella and half and half in coffee. No fruit. I had plenty of olive oil. I lost the weight but did count calories. Also did intermittent fasting. First meal usually around noon to 1. Do drink coffee, though. 2 meals per day.

Do you find that you count calories? Everyone on Reddit pretty much told me the only way to lose weight is caloric restriction. Do you think that is true? Or does forgoing carbs rev up metabolism? Thank you for your expertise on the subject. I enjoy reading your knowledge of the subject.

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@Trinity11 - significant reduction in carbs will trigger fat burning rather than sugar burning but it's also important to eat enough healthy fat.  Low carb combined with low fat is a bad idea, dangerous even.  I also believe that managing calories within one's designated macros is als needed.  Too much of "legal" food can cause a stall or even a gain.  I lost my weight over a 2.5 yr. time span between June 2019 and January 2022. Last year I got careless. I  ignored what I know to be true and ended up regaining a few pounds.  A little extra of some good things here and there, cheating with manufactured "keto" foods and it creeps back. I use a tracking app called Carb Manager.  When it's all there in black and white, there's no relying on guessing and it keeps you motivated, as long as you're honest with entering your foods.  If you decide to try the app and have questions, I can try to help.  

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Yes, yesterday my vascular surgeon said not to carry this too far. He seemed a bit alarmed. I will try the Carb Manager. And yes, I was eating both low fat and low carb. It seemed like I was stuck at one weight unless I cut both fat and carbs. 

Thanks for the suggestion. 💕It makes a lot of sense.

[Melbalee]

I use Yuki and Bobby Approved to see what's in the food or cosmetics. Then I can decide.
Ii had cancer a few years ago so Dr explained. A lot to me.

[JeanLouiseFinch]

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@Melbalee wrote:
I use Yuki and Bobby Approved to see what's in the food or cosmetics. Then I can decide.
Ii had cancer a few years ago so Dr explained. A lot to me.

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Bobby is all over the map. Seems like a lot of double talk with him.  One time he's condemning an ingredient and the next time he's endorsing it.  

I had cancer too, @Melbalee.  Cancer loves sugar so we use alternatives (stevia, monk fruit, allulose) and very limited fruit (berries only) and non-starchy veggies.  

[ciao_bella]

This is not the only, highly regarded,  publication regarding the serious risks of continued long term carnivoire diets. There are many.  Just Google.  

Source:  

Howard E. LeWine, MD, Chief Medical Editor, Harvard Health Publishing; Editorial Advisory Board Member, Harvard Health Publishing

Dr. Howard LeWine is a practicing internist at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, Chief Medical Editor at Harvard Health Publishing, and editor in chief of Harvard Men’s Health Watch

A carnivore diet is the most ketogenic diet because it allows for almost no carbs. Fat content is not specified; it's whatever fat is contained in or consumed along with the meat, fish, poultry, and dairy.

What are the risks of a carnivore diet?

While some keto diets can emphasize the intake of healthier mono- and polyunsaturated fats, that's not the case with carnivore diets. Animal fat is mostly saturated fat, which is the unhealthiest type of fat because it raises levels of LDL (bad) cholesterol.

The disadvantage of all keto diets is they tend to raise LDL cholesterol levels in both the short and long term. Other longer-term concerns about keto diets, especially the carnivore diet, include the increased risk of kidney stones, kidney disease, gout, heart disease and osteoporosis. Also, the very high protein intake associated with long term use in the carnivore diet can lead to serious impaired kidney function.

Because keto diets induce the body to burn fat, all keto diets can jump-start a weight-loss program. But I would never recommend a carnivore diet, especially long term for this purpose along with the serious health risks that come with it.