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@gadgetgal613 wrote:

Never use a kerosene heater indoors unless you are planning suicide.  The fumes are deadly.    


That's wrong. I would recommend doing some more research on that. Modern kerosene heaters are safe to use indoors.  

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In some states kerosene heaters for indoor use are illegal.  You need to know your own state's laws.

 

Although there are now kerosene heaters made for indoor use, they need to be used with care.  And people need to know not to ever refill them while hot, as kerosene is highly flammable.  (They're a portable version of what used to be called a "pot burner furnace" where I live, and they were made illegal many years ago because of the safety risks.)

 

From a website on this subject:

 

"Portable fuel heaters have legitimate uses — especially in emergency heating situations such as power outages or extreme weather — but they carry considerable risk. Prioritize ventilation, smoke & CO detector installation, careful fuel handling and vigilant supervision whenever you use these devices indoors. This ensures you're taking a safe approach to keep your home warm and your household out of harm’s way. "

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We have a whole home generator outside that runs on natural gas.  It comes a few seconds after a power outage and can run for days.  It feeds the house through the incoming electrical lines--no cords, no liquid fuel, was installed by pros and checked by city inspectors.

 

We have a big one, but even a smaller one would keep you warm and safe.  I'd sure look into it.  We had a portable outdoor at our last house, but it was heavy and a pain to hook up and fuel.  And we were younger.

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I have a Kerosun brand kerosene heater, a large one in fact. One year my furnace broke down on the coldest day of that winter. It was below zero for several days and my furnace needed to be replaced, not repaired. So I used my Kerosun inside my house for several days and nights until I could get a new furnace installed. Had to open windows to allow for adequate ventilation while the kerosene heater was running but it was a life-saver and it kept the inside of my house from freezing and frozen pipes.

 

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It's imperative to use only high-grade kerosene in those kind of heaters. At the time, I bought the Kerosun brand of kerosene. It high-grade and rated for indoor use.

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@Sooner wrote:

We have a whole home generator outside that runs on natural gas.  It comes a few seconds after a power outage and can run for days.  It feeds the house through the incoming electrical lines--no cords, no liquid fuel, was installed by pros and checked by city inspectors.

 

We have a big one, but even a smaller one would keep you warm and safe.  I'd sure look into it.  We had a portable outdoor at our last house, but it was heavy and a pain to hook up and fuel.  And we were younger.


What @Sooner described is exactly what I have. My husband was alive back when we first had it installed but I appreciate it even more now that I have to handle everything on my own. 

 

It's an essential in hurricane country but handy all year long whenever there is a power outage for any reason. If you can afford it, a whole house generator is the way to go and is worth every penny.

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WOW! 

I want to thank each of you🌻🌻🌻, for taking the time to post your info; great info!🌹

  Costco had Kohler's whole house; I don't see it listed on their site now. I think that's where I saw it. I mean, it's around $4,000 to $5,000, which makes me wonder how much it can handle.

 

We have natural gas; it's on the same outside wall as our electrical panel, and they are very close to each other. We had to have the panel upgraded when an F1 tornado hit our home in July 2021. We live in Maryland. 

 

I don't need every light on in the home; I would like to be able to use our HVAC system. We have a gas furnace and AC and a hot water heater that runs during outages because it's hooked up to gas; it doesn't need electricity.

 

I'd like to be able to run at least:  microwave, fridge, a few lights, a couple TVs - if Wi-Fi was out, I could use a DVD Player, a few plugs to charge a laptop, iPad, phone, etc.

 

This is the only one Costco has:

 $6,300:

Guardian by Generac 22kw Home Standby Generator with 200A Automatic Transfer Switch Included
Item 2108043 | Model G0072680
 
2.5 rating

(4)reviews
 
4 reviews; 
Two are positive; one said they " wish they would've purchased the 26K or 28K"; another said, "it was easy to set up"
 
2 negatives- said, "couldn't register the serial numbers , rendering the generator unusable; will have to uninstall and return."  
 
Another- 3 days ago
 "Our Generac 22KW died a few months after the warrantee expired. The engine was toast die when the fatigued push rods shattered. The rods have about 1” of carbide joined to several inches of softer metal. Predictably the rods fatigue at the joint spewing metal throughout the engine destroying it. If your Generac is still running you’d be wive to replace the push rods every year or so. We are not replacing it with another Generac"
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I read the five-year limited warranty; a lot of things they won't cover.
 
I'm sure there will be a cost to have someone move it to where it needs to go because Costco will only deliver inside your door or on the porch, and the cost of having an electrician come do it. Do I need any other Professional?
 
I looked at the specifics. It stated it uses two fuels: liquid propane and gas. I didn't realize we'd have to deal with propane; I prefer not to.
 
I wonder if I could get two of those small portable indoor units; I wouldn't be thrilled about dealing with the solar panels at all because I don't want cords going through an open door or window. I don't want any doors or windows opened, not even a little bit.
 
I think I would only need two units: one on the bedroom level for two bedrooms to share, and one on the main floor where the kitchen is, along with the living room, but we would only use it for the kitchen, which is five steps down from the bedroom level, and keep the fridge and microwave going.
 
We have three Dyson upright combo heaters/fans. It'd be nice to use them as needed.
 
  However, I am worried that the smaller indoor units (e.g., EcoFlow, etc.), as mentioned in this thread, could be a fire hazard.
 
Are there extremely safe brands that manufacture units that are not fire hazards?
 
 
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I can answer one of your questions.  You will also need a plumber to handle the natural gas connection and to possibly run more piping to carry the gas to the generator.  I suspect that the unit is set up to use either natural gas or propane.  Since you already have natural gas, you wouldn't need propane. 

 

Also someone from your city or county (or whatever type of govt. you have) permits dept. needs to be notified.  They will check the safety aspects of your installation. This is very important, not only legally, but for your safety.  A whole house generator can be extremely dangerous if not installed properly.  In our case, this notification was handled by the electrical company who installed our Generac.  They are certified Generac dealers and I have a maintence contract with them.

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Yes, you will need a permit from your town to install. In our town, we also need a variance before installation will be approved as houses are fairly close together.

 

You should also understand what annual maintenance is required and how much that will cost.

 

It's important to find out everything you need for installation and ongoing costs before you commit to purchase as it can increase the cost substantially.  

 

I know people who have whole-house Generacs and they really like them but some have had issues where they conk out after a few years.

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Thanks for the replies after my last post!

 

I need all the info I can get from people who have them, and also the EcoFlow type of machines, which unfortunately do not provide any furnace benefit like a whole-house generator would provide.

 

The most I could do with those smaller units is to plug my 3 Dyson fan/heater in to.- a vertical oval topped -I would need to use two of my three; one for each bedroom and possibly the third in the kitchen. I don't know how many amps they pull, or when they're being used, maybe nothing else can be plugged in to them?

 

A whole house certainly seems like the answer, however, I'm not sure about the funds. 

 

What Professional would be the best to call that could tell me the appropriate watts needed to run the furnace and AC, a few things in two bedrooms; tv's, chargers, ipads, etc., and the least amount of kitchen appliances- a microwave, fridge.

 

I wouldn't worry about our living room, which is on the main floor with the kitchen. Nor worry about the third bedroom, which is on the top floor with the other bedrooms nor the family room, which is five stairs down from the kitchen level.

 

the laundry room is on that level, it'd be nice to run the washer and dryer, but it's not a necessity.

 

 We have a basement that's about five steps down from the family room level. HVAC appliances: gas furnace, AC, and gas water heater are there.  Is there any reason to have heat in the basement? 

 

@mambee wrote,

"know people who have whole-house Generacs and they really like them but some have had issues where they conk out after a few years.



In ONE of 4 Costco reviews, one person said;

 

"Our Generac 22KW died a few months after the warrantee expired. The engine was toast die when the fatigued push rods shattered. The rods have about 1” of carbide joined to several inches of softer metal. Predictably the rods fatigue at the joint spewing metal throughout the engine destroying it. If your Generac is still running you’d be wive to replace the push rods every year or so. We are not replacing it with another Generac."

 

 

So I wonder if the model from Costco for $6300 isn't very good? Maybe it's not completely authentically all Generac materials or their top quality of materials that you would get if you purchased from them?

 

Is there a better brand than Generac? If not, is there a better store, company,  to purchase a Generac or another brand that's great, with a better warranty, knowledgeable people to service it, proper installation, and maintenance you trust?

 

 

When Costco sells major brands, whether it's mattresses, or whole house, generators, kitchen appliances, etc.,  and I found out all about mattresses, sometimes unless it's the exact model, exact materials, manufactured and built by that brand's company, exact everything from top to bottom, or if they've collaborated with Costco, agreed to let Costco use the brand's name and create a very similar model, but not the same, Costco can give it a different model number by adding an extra letter or number at the end or calling it the same name, but with a another word in the title. 

 

When that happens, it's not made the same way; they can alter the quality of the material, for instance, when Saatva first brought one of their mattresses to QVC, Costco also had it for the first time, the name was a little different and the height of it was an extra half an inch from what QVC had and what Saatva had, and the top covering was a little different in pattern.

 

I spent days researching, talking to Saatva's upper tier person, she told me, whatever you purchased from Costco unless Costco listed the same model with all the exact numbers and letters and there wasn't an extra word in the title then you should check all the codes on the tags or the labels on your product and you will see it's probably manufactured by a different company, a third-party.

 I told her Costco, BJ's,  Sam's, wherever, can't possibly make money selling a brand-name, exact model of whatever, and sell it for less than the company or other places do. They have to cut corners somewhere.

That they do this because the number one reason is they must not use the same quality materials that Saatva or other brands use, etc.,  they can't reproduce the same way by using the same gauge of steel, quality steel, the same poundage of foam, the same foam, the thickness of the material, etc. I'm not saying it's only Saatva, all mattresses Costco sells when they partner with brand names, those particular items are usually not the same models, unless of course, they are the same model number. Some brands may absolutely allow their exact models to be sold at Costco, and that might be the case with other items, TVs, and kitchen appliances, etc.

 

Now, Costco, when I called asking if it was built the same, materials, labor, etc., some of their representatives said yes, I asked how they knew, could they point me to information on their website, could they give me the phone number of someone who could verify, which they couldn't, and some said they had no idea. That's when I decided to call Saatva.

  I always call the manufacturer.  I asked to be put through to a higher-level supervisor who knows these answers.

 It's a pain for me. It's often a pain for the people I speak with. I'll have to start investigating this Generac;  call Generac and Costco, unless anyone knows Generac has partnered with Costco to create this model, but does not use the quality parts Generac uses.

 

Or if there's another brand that provides excellent service, whatever's needed, yearly visits, tuneups, etc., and has a really great warranty, or if none of them have great warranties, perhaps there's insurance I could purchase?

 

 

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