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[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@151949 wrote:

Oh please - there is no terror in a cows eyes as it goes to slaughter. They are not aware what is going on.Cows are not very intelligent animals.

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Wow your response shows how little may be aware of  cows and I'm guessing animals in general. Do you honestly think cows have no ability to understand what they are seeing, breathing in and sensing around them in slaughter house? 

Put it this way if you are going to eat that steak or pork roast do it knowing that yes these once living and breathing creatures were very much aware of their pending pain and death and for us to think we have these "magical powers" of sense and other animals don't is so naive and wrong. 

[dooBdoo]

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@151949 wrote:

Oh please - there is no terror in a cows eyes as it goes to slaughter. They are not aware what is going on.Cows are not very intelligent animals.

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          Cows are very intelligent animals.    There's plenty of info online, but here's an excerpt from one discussion:

          " ...Cows interact with one another in complex ways, forming collaborative relationships (for example, they form “grooming partnerships,” just like chimpanzees)1, learning from one another, and making decisions based on altruism and compassion2.   Sunday Times science editor Jonathan Leake explains that “cows have a secret mental life in which they bear grudges, nurture friendships, and become excited over intellectual challenges…”3

          As a researcher at Moulton College in the UK, Krista McLennan has documented the fact that cattle form deep friendships and strong family bonds.   Like humans, when cattle “have their preferred partner with them, their stress levels in terms of their heart rates are reduced compared with if they are with a random individual.”4

          Because of their complex social lives, they are also quite intelligent.... " (examples and details at link)

source:

https://www.farmsanctuary.org/learn/the-someone-project/110-2/

[Plaid Pants2]

When I was about ten years old, one of my neighbors raised hogs for his business.

When it came time to dispatch the animal, he shot it between the eyes.

Quick, and the animal didn't suffer.

I saw him do this with my very own eyes.

I even helped to scrape the hair off of the hide.

It was the best tasting pork that I have ever had.

Not overly salty, and lean.

This was just my own experience.

[Marp]

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@151949 wrote:

Oh please - there is no terror in a cows eyes as it goes to slaughter. They are not aware what is going on.Cows are not very intelligent animals.

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Wow your response shows how little may be aware of  cows and I'm guessing animals in general. Do you honestly think cows have no ability to understand what they are seeing, breathing in and sensing around them in slaughter house? 

Put it this way if you are going to eat that steak or pork roast do it knowing that yes these once living and breathing creatures were very much aware of their pending pain and death and for us to think we have these "magical powers" of sense and other animals don't is so naive and wrong. 

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Unaware like in never having seen cows in the herd gather around a newborn calf or the herd gathering around the carcass of one that has passed in the field.  It is my experience that cows are very social and sensitive.

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@Marp wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@151949 wrote:

Oh please - there is no terror in a cows eyes as it goes to slaughter. They are not aware what is going on.Cows are not very intelligent animals.

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Wow your response shows how little may be aware of  cows and I'm guessing animals in general. Do you honestly think cows have no ability to understand what they are seeing, breathing in and sensing around them in slaughter house? 

Put it this way if you are going to eat that steak or pork roast do it knowing that yes these once living and breathing creatures were very much aware of their pending pain and death and for us to think we have these "magical powers" of sense and other animals don't is so naive and wrong. 

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Unaware like in never having seen cows in the herd gather around a newborn calf or the herd gathering around the carcass of one that has passed in the field.  It is my experience that cows are very social and sensitive.

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Exactly I think society in general has been led to believe that animal kingdom is incapable of feeling grief or fear or other cognitive abilities that we have. 

[SahmIam]

Eh, my Daddy's family has farms and raises livestock and a few of my cousins are vets; we all grew up with eating what was raised being it vegi or animal and we all enjoy being carnivores.. There are those that see animals as a food source (that would be me) and others who see them as social creatures in alignment with humans.

To each their own. 

The OP asked why are Canadian Geese protected; honestly, I don't think they will be for much longer as their numbers are growing too quickly. Shooting those that migrate, however, isn't where the problem rests; it's those that take up residence in areas...states.. that they never lived (year round) in until recently and are now doing damage in many ways to flora, fauna and property. How that's going to be addressed in the end, I don't know.  

BTW, for the person who asked how they taste? Greasy... very gamey. Domestic goose is far better.

[Q4u]

All I know is that the Canadian Geese will spot a green area (park) with or wthout a lake and decide they like it no matter where it's located ..... they quickly make the grassy area a mess by using it as a toilet so no one can use the grass without consequences (ew) not to mention the unsanitary issues .... but our city council had a great idea.... they hired dogs!

Herding dogs that are trained to chase and herd the CG and get them back into the air....  and off they go. They are not bitten or attacked by the dogs, just chased and the dogs (they are trained and owned) get great excercise. The CG have gone elsewhere (out of the central city).... and that's a good thing.  

I think this is a great humane way to handle the situation.  Anyone who has watched the utter ruination of a city park by these birds and their feces should understand that the birds have no problem moving on out to the country....  

[CrazyDaisy]

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@Q4u wrote:

All I know is that the Canadian Geese will spot a green area (park) with or wthout a lake and decide they like it no matter where it's located ..... they quickly make the grassy area a mess by using it as a toilet so no one can use the grass without consequences (ew) not to mention the unsanitary issues .... but our city council had a great idea.... they hired dogs!

Herding dogs that are trained to chase and herd the CG and get them back into the air....  and off they go. They are not bitten or attacked by the dogs, just chased and the dogs (they are trained and owned) get great excercise. The CG have gone elsewhere (out of the central city).... and that's a good thing.  

I think this is a great humane way to handle the situation.  Anyone who has watched the utter ruination of a city park by these birds and their feces should understand that the birds have no problem moving on out to the country....  

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Control dogs solve one parks problem, however the birds will just become a problem for someone else.  The issue is with no natural predators in many places the population has increased out of control.  Because they continue to be a protected species there is not much that can be done.

[songbird]

I read some of these posts about cows.  Yes, they are not the smartest farm animal.  The smart one is the pig of course.  At least as smart as a dog.  Extrememly stupid animals like pandas & the Koala Bear don't run if they are in danger.  Just sit there.  So give the cow a break, if he's scared & runs. 

Geese seem resonablly smart to me.  Perhaps not as smart as crows (who use tools)  but they do pretty well.

[Venezia]

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@151949 wrote:

The fact is that throughout the history of the earth species have come and gone for many reasons and sometimes the reason a species disappers is because it has no habitat. Some day humans will be gone too.

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True.  That's the point at which we will either have destroyed our planet or been wiped out by another species or disease..