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12-12-2018 04:30 PM - edited 12-12-2018 04:33 PM
I don't see that scenario as being a miracle, and I also don't think that if something is a miracle, there is a "camp" to be in.
The original post is not based on like and/or related events so logically there can be no answer. In other words, if there are "camps" to be in, then the scenarios must describe a miracle and then the opposite of a miracle.
I doubt there is such a thing as the opposite of a miracle.
Right place/right time as opposed to wrong place/wrong time could be "camps." Bringing "miracle" into the matter just muddies the waters - no matter who used the term for the former event. Just because that is what some termed it, doesn't make it so.
12-12-2018 04:51 PM
@CrazyKittyLvr2 wrote:Years ago on one of the daytimes shows they had a man on who had been traveling to a city he had never been to before He went into a McDonalds and a little kid starting choking, he did Heimlich and saved her. They brought her out too. Everyone in audiance said it was a miracle.
OK, what if this happened.
Same scenerio, he walked in same McDonaldsin the same strange city and he got killed during a robbery. People wouldn't be calling it a miracle. People would say he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
What camp are you, miracle or right place at right time.
I'm right place at right time camp. There are a ton of unexplained things in life but I'm not ready to say miracles.
Right place, right time.
12-12-2018 04:56 PM
... He saved her, and she grew up to be a human trafficker who trained and sold children to be sex slaves to pervs.
... He stopped that bullet, and a nurse, and loving mother of four adopted disabled children wasn't shot.
I've lived long enough to know better and see furthur than "either/or" choices.
12-12-2018 05:04 PM
@GingerPeach Obviously camp was a poor coice of words. As to bringing miracle into it that was not my choice of words but what the show host and the audiance callled it. I only asked what it would be if something bad had happened.
12-12-2018 05:08 PM
I do not believe in miracles a man upstairs, or such. ....I do believe we create our reality with our preceptions and what we choose to believe.
12-12-2018 05:30 PM
@x Hedge wrote:... He saved her, and she grew up to be a human trafficker who trained and sold children to be sex slaves to pervs.
... He stopped that bullet, and a nurse, and loving mother of four adopted disabled children wasn't shot.
I've lived long enough to know better and see furthur than "either/or" choices.
I like these extra layers. Sounds like the basis of an intriguing television series, @x Hedge
12-12-2018 05:38 PM
@GingerPeach wrote:
@x Hedge wrote:... He saved her, and she grew up to be a human trafficker who trained and sold children to be sex slaves to pervs.
... He stopped that bullet, and a nurse, and loving mother of four adopted disabled children wasn't shot.
I've lived long enough to know better and see furthur than "either/or" choices.
I like these extra layers. Sounds like the basis of an intriguing television series, @x Hedge
@x Hedge, @GingerPeach, Reminiscent of the film, “It’s a Wonderful Life.”
😊
12-12-2018 05:39 PM
@x Hedge I can't see into the future but I'll play along,
I swerve to miss a deer slam into a tree, car bursts into flames and I'm toast, the deer goes on to be star of a live action Bambi.
12-12-2018 06:27 PM
@SeaMaiden wrote:I do not believe in miracles a man upstairs, or such. ....I do believe we create our reality with our preceptions and what we choose to believe.
If there is actually a "higher power", I seriously doubt it is male ... or female, for that matter.
12-12-2018 06:34 PM
@CrazyKittyLvr2 wrote:@x Hedge I can't see into the future but I'll play along,
I swerve to miss a deer slam into a tree, car bursts into flames and I'm toast, the deer goes on to be star of a live action Bambi.
Ok, I'll play too.
So, as a toddler, your great grandpa used his little red toy shovel with the fawn decal to bury the acorn that grew into the big oak you slammed into.
And his dad watered, pruned, and encouraged that tree for decades, always with fond memories of watching his son proudly patting the little mound of soil.
You introduced a philosophical situation in your OP. But you've pre-labled one scenario as "good" and the other as "bad".
I'm saying it's not that straightforward, but I'm not sure there's room for a philosophical run at the topic in these forums.
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