Three Hours!!!!! - Page 2

hckynut · ‎03-10-2010

I will never 2nd guess what the.Orlando police did wrong. I wasn't there nor was I privy to their communications and actions. Who am I to decide when they should have entered that building? If I say "couda/wouda/shouda", that is 20-20 hindsight, which we all can speculate.

To say they, whomever you are referring to as "they", are lying? The only place I see elongating the truth is much, much higher up the command chain.

Say I see 2 vehicles collide, as do five other people. Do you actually believe that all 6 of us will see and repeat the same way it occurred? Of course not, and all 6 us were not on the business end of a Weapon being pointed at us. Of course survivors will have different versions of what they saw and heard. They WERE on the barrel end of the weapon.

To accuse the first responders of lying? That is a bit much for me.

hnj

hckynut(john)

fortune · ‎03-14-2010

@GSPgirl wrote:
@Peaches McPhee wrote:
This is a perfect example of jumping to conclusions. Why not wait for the full report to come out? Maybe some of your questions will be answered by that.
I agree. I always wait to make my judgment until after the news has stopped making things up. Remember when they say "it's been reported" they are usually speculating. News people are not journalists anymore. They are news readers and they have to make stuff up to fill up the hour.

I got my info ONLY from the victims' interviews. The victims who were in the bathrooms, that is. I'm sure they didn't make stuff up. There's something missing in the police accounting of the story.

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

The police saved many and put their lives on the line daily as they did that day. SWAT teams negotiate before entering to spare as many as they can....when, a situation deteriorates, the go in and save who the can....I wasn't there, I won't second guess people who are braver than I and more experienced. The response is being evaluated by experts and I am not one of them.

hckynut · ‎03-10-2010

@Mary Bailey wrote:
@fortune DH says the same thing you do, with a lot of yelling and swearing. He always thinks swat doesn't act quick enough, starting with Columbine.

@Mary Bailey

Am I to assume that DH headed up a local police department SWAT Team? Sure sounds like you are making him out to be an expert as what a SWAT Team, should and should not have done.

Monday Morning Quarterbacking along with 20-20 hindsight sure has never made me an expert on anything related Police or SWAT Teams tactics.

Tell DH to chill.

hnj

hckynut(john)

fortune · ‎03-14-2010

@Peaches McPhee wrote:
This is a perfect example of jumping to conclusions. Why not wait for the full report to come out? Maybe some of your questions will be answered by that.

The police spokesperson at the news conference said that the suspect didn't shoot any more after he was chased by police to the bathroom area. It then became a "hostage situation" for three hours. The victims in the bathrooms (who lived) described how the shooter reached over the closed door of the bathroom stall and shot blindly at the people huddled inside. I heard what I heard.

pood1 · ‎03-10-2010

Here's an idea-why don't YOU put on a SWAT uniform fortune, and show us how it SHOULD be done?

Mary Bailey · ‎03-09-2010

@hckynut No of course he hasn't. No where do I make him out to be an expert. He's just thinking of the victims and their families waiting out the 3 hours.

I tell him to not speculate because he doesn't know what the background info is. Then he says, what if was our loved ones, then is 3 hours acceptable? He has a valid point.

newziesuzie · ‎02-21-2014

@Stray wrote:

The police saved many and put their lives on the line daily as they did that day. SWAT teams negotiate before entering to spare as many as they can....when, a situation deteriorates, the go in and save who the can....I wasn't there, I won't second guess people who are braver than I and more experienced. The response is being evaluated by experts and I am not one of them.

Wonderful post @Stray!!!!

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hckynut · ‎03-10-2010

@fortune wrote:
@GSPgirl wrote:

I agree. I always wait to make my judgment until after the news has stopped making things up. Remember when they say "it's been reported" they are usually speculating. News people are not journalists anymore. They are news readers and they have to make stuff up to fill up the hour.
I got my info ONLY from the victims' interviews. The victims who were in the bathrooms, that is. I'm sure they didn't make stuff up. There's something missing in the police accounting of the story.

@fortune

What about the 4 survivors that just 1 Police Officer drug out to safety. One was shot twice in the legs and once in the hand. I didn't hear him reference anything about 3 hours. He was just happy to be alive. He his biggest gift would be to meet that Officer who pulled him out.

As I said in 1 of my other posts. Do you actually think ALL of the survivors saw/heard and will repeat the exact same rememberence of what occurred? If a the barrel of a weapon was pointed at me and i was shot? I haven't a clue how accurate my replication of exactly what happened even I could believe.

hnj

hckynut(john)

KentuckyWoman · ‎03-13-2010

There is only one person who was responsible for that horrific, despicable act of violence and that is the shooter.

The police were trying to save lives but putting their own on the line. Wait and see what the investigation turns up before you start calling names. Many of the victims who have been interviewed spoke about the police coming into the night club and pulling them out to safety. I am sure this was a horrific scene. None of us were there but I am sure it was a hellish, nightmarish scene.