These Apologies - Page 9

Drythe · ‎07-09-2011

@esmerelda wrote:
@DrytheWhatever job they wanted to protect by not telling what was happening to them.

That's why they kept quiet in many cases, right? Jobs in television are hard to find, blah, blah, blah.

@esmerelda

I don’t know why they kept quiet, neither do you.

But, I can easily think of several reasons 🤔. I try to do so coming from a place of empathy, not blaming and shaming.

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esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

@suzyQ3 wrote:
@esmerelda wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@fordtruck wrote:
I remember when women used to giggle when a male colleague pinched their bottom. That's KC's reaction from what I gather. You get to know your coworkers and become emotionally invested in their lives so I can see how painful it would be to turn someone in and watch them crash and burn. But I disliked Kathie Lee's reaction of we love you Matt and it should be all about forgiveness.
@puttypiesmom

I'm guessing they were taught to giggle, by way of what other women did. It was not like today, back when we were young (admittedly, I don't know how old you are but it had to be awhile back when women giggled, they probably didn't know what else to do).

Today it's more likely someone would turn around and say, "What the h _ _ _ are you doing?" Or, "Get your hands off of me!" I would.

@Noel7Not just today. Women have been saying that to men for years. Grown women. Not girls in dress up clothes playing at being an adult.

Your last statement...are you saying that you wouldn't have said that 10 or 15 years ago? Only today you would say it?
@esmerelda, or girls who for one reason or another have a very negative view of themselves so that they continue to seek and accept sexual attention. And boys and men are eager to help them.

This is what has always bothered me about a certain type of so-called empowerment. A young woman may act or dress (undress) in a way that she thinks or pretends is showing her freedom and feminism when what she is really doing is men's bidding, playing right into their hands.

@suzyQ3So that's who/what these women are? Seeking and accepting sexual attention? That's why they didn't report these things?

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cherry · ‎03-09-2010

I don't think that wearing modest clothing means you won't become a victim

I recall reading and hearing, about women that rode trolly's and early sorts of mass transit ,having men take liberties in a crowded transportation setting.

They said women used to have an extra long hatpin ,ready to protect themselves. This was when women were covered from their neck to their feet

suzyQ3 · ‎03-09-2010

@esmerelda wrote:
@DrytheWhatever job they wanted to protect by not telling what was happening to them.

That's why they kept quiet in many cases, right? Jobs in television are hard to find, blah, blah, blah.

@esmerelda, I wouldn't dismiss this as "blah,blah,blah." Every individual woman has her reasons for either reporting it or not reporting. I don't think that they should be judged as a group. It's not always people in Hollywood, and even when it is, they are not necessarily high-rollers.

What matters is the truth.

~Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

@Drythe wrote:
@esmerelda wrote:
@DrytheWhatever job they wanted to protect by not telling what was happening to them.

That's why they kept quiet in many cases, right? Jobs in television are hard to find, blah, blah, blah.
@esmerelda

I don’t know why they kept quiet, neither do you.
But, I can easily think of several reasons 🤔. I try to do so coming from a place of empathy, not blaming and shaming.

@DrytheI'm not blaming and shaming. I want to slap them. I want to know why they let someone do these things to them and they kept quiet about them. I want to know why they don't have self respect OR self love enough to protect themselves at any cost. And if they themselves don't think they are worth that...well, I don't know who can help them

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esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

@suzyQ3I think (from the WaPo article) all of Charlie Rose's "individual women" worked for him and their reason for keeping quiet was to keep their job.

Granted, maybe some have a bad reputation for doing things with men they WANTED attention from and were afraid of...something.

Don't know, don't care. Just having a conversation.

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Keepin' it real.

suzyQ3 · ‎03-09-2010

@esmerelda wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@esmerelda wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@fordtruck wrote:
I remember when women used to giggle when a male colleague pinched their bottom. That's KC's reaction from what I gather. You get to know your coworkers and become emotionally invested in their lives so I can see how painful it would be to turn someone in and watch them crash and burn. But I disliked Kathie Lee's reaction of we love you Matt and it should be all about forgiveness.
@puttypiesmom

I'm guessing they were taught to giggle, by way of what other women did. It was not like today, back when we were young (admittedly, I don't know how old you are but it had to be awhile back when women giggled, they probably didn't know what else to do).

Today it's more likely someone would turn around and say, "What the h _ _ _ are you doing?" Or, "Get your hands off of me!" I would.

@Noel7Not just today. Women have been saying that to men for years. Grown women. Not girls in dress up clothes playing at being an adult.

Your last statement...are you saying that you wouldn't have said that 10 or 15 years ago? Only today you would say it?
@esmerelda, or girls who for one reason or another have a very negative view of themselves so that they continue to seek and accept sexual attention. And boys and men are eager to help them.

This is what has always bothered me about a certain type of so-called empowerment. A young woman may act or dress (undress) in a way that she thinks or pretends is showing her freedom and feminism when what she is really doing is men's bidding, playing right into their hands.

@suzyQ3 wrote:
@esmerelda wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@fordtruck wrote:
I remember when women used to giggle when a male colleague pinched their bottom. That's KC's reaction from what I gather. You get to know your coworkers and become emotionally invested in their lives so I can see how painful it would be to turn someone in and watch them crash and burn. But I disliked Kathie Lee's reaction of we love you Matt and it should be all about forgiveness.
@puttypiesmom

I'm guessing they were taught to giggle, by way of what other women did. It was not like today, back when we were young (admittedly, I don't know how old you are but it had to be awhile back when women giggled, they probably didn't know what else to do).

Today it's more likely someone would turn around and say, "What the h _ _ _ are you doing?" Or, "Get your hands off of me!" I would.

@Noel7Not just today. Women have been saying that to men for years. Grown women. Not girls in dress up clothes playing at being an adult.

Your last statement...are you saying that you wouldn't have said that 10 or 15 years ago? Only today you would say it?
@esmerelda, or girls who for one reason or another have a very negative view of themselves so that they continue to seek and accept sexual attention. And boys and men are eager to help them.

This is what has always bothered me about a certain type of so-called empowerment. A young woman may act or dress (undress) in a way that she thinks or pretends is showing her freedom and feminism when what she is really doing is men's bidding, playing right into their hands.

@suzyQ3So that's who/what these women are? Seeking and accepting sexual attention? That's why they didn't report these things?

@esmerelda, I could see how you inferred that from my wandering thoughts. But actually, it just might apply to such girls or women. Perhaps it made them feel as if they were attractive and wanted. Sad, but I bet it happens. And in this case, they might not ever report it or at least not unless at some point they learn more about themselves and what really was going on and until they found out that they were hardly alone.

~Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

suzyQ3 · ‎03-09-2010

@esmerelda wrote:
@suzyQ3I think (from the WaPo article) all of Charlie Rose's "individual women" worked for him and their reason for keeping quiet was to keep their job.

Granted, maybe some have a bad reputation for doing things with men they WANTED attention from and were afraid of...something.

Don't know, don't care. Just having a conversation.

@esmerelda, I don't doubt it. And I don't judge it. And I do care.

~Who in the world am I? Ah, that's the great puzzle~ Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

esmerelda · ‎03-10-2010

@suzyQ3 Nice response.

I wonder how many of CR's accusers still worked for him when they came forward.

Again...just mild curiosity.

And I'm not judging anyone. Their behavior (the women) is so foreign to me...that they would suffer silently...I don't understand it.

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Keepin' it real.

Hoovermom · ‎03-19-2010

@esmerelda wrote:
@suzyQ3 Nice response.

I wonder how many of CR's accusers still worked for him when they came forward.

Again...just mild curiosity.

And I'm not judging anyone. Their behavior (the women) is so foreign to me...that they would suffer silently...I don't understand it.

If you have ever been in their situation, you would understand. I do.