Community Chat

[Mindy D]

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@Stray wrote:

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@LizzieInSRQ wrote:

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@Goldengate8361 wrote:

It is sad that probably MOST family members will not be able to have a body Recovered of their loved ones killed in this tragedy for a funeral or memorial service. very sad.

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Why not? This isn't like WTC with jet fuel fires. I think and hope they will just for being able to move to the next step of grief.

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@LizzieInSRQ - a pancake collapse such as this may have pulverized the person but they may get remains.  It is hard to move on unless they have some sort of closure.  It's so sad especially when you hear about the children 

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@Stray @I couldn't think of the word pulverize. Thanks. They have already obtained some of these small remains. Officials mentioned this only one time. I guess they don't want to upset  people by speaking of this yet. The officials did not describe these remains. Certainly, the cadaver dogs will be able to find any partial remains, even among the relocated debris piles. They have not begun to use cadaver dogs yet. 

[Mindy D]

The Daily Mail has a video submitted by a resident taken just minutes before the collapse. I just watched it. In the video, water is pouring down from the ceiling into the garage. The ceiling is right below the pool area. It could be that the pool deck collapsed in on itself and then took the building down with it. 

[haddon9]

This is all so sad!  I was in south Florida recently and many of the communities have high rise condo buildings along the beach.  I can't imagine how people can sleep at night.  I would be worried sick.

[decaf]

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@LizzieInSRQ wrote:

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@Goldengate8361 wrote:

It is sad that probably MOST family members will not be able to have a body Recovered of their loved ones killed in this tragedy for a funeral or memorial service. very sad.

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Why not? This isn't like WTC with jet fuel fires. I think and hope they will just for being able to move to the next step of grief.

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@LizzieInSRQ  There were fires burning deep under the rubble the first few days.  They couldn't even determine the source of the fires and it really hindered the rescuers and the initial search.

Eta- I live in S Fl so we're seeing a lot more news on this disaster than the rest of the country.

[elated]

This is so sad for those whose lives have been lost. After reading many articles, it appears that there was a conflict between the tenants and the board regarding the cost of repairs. The first estimate was $9 million and two years later 15 million. Many didn't want to pay for the repairs. The board offered them options for financing. It just seems strange that this was not a priority. One maintenance man said they had to replace the pumps in the garage every month due to the water.

I guess I just don't understand why repairs were delayed. Many of the board members resigned in 2019 due to the conflict. It appears the eminent danger was not communicated. Sad for all families.

[Kabella]

So very tragic...My heart & prayers go out to all the victims & families.

[Spurt]

So sad, my heart breaks for the victims and their family/friends such a tragedy....😪

[Isobel Archer]

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@JamandBread wrote:

Has anyone read the first lawsuit filed by a Champlain resident? She describes what happened that night and it is frightening. She and a couple of residents, including an elderly woman and a child with a dog, escaped through a second floor apartment balcony. What those people who survived the initial collapse must have gone through is the stuff of nightmares.

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Who is she suing?  If - as we are hearing - the structural problems were well known for at least 3 years - and the residents fought the board over paying for repair - then who is at "fault?"  And who is supposed to pay?

Now I could see a renter suing the owner for failure to maintain the property - there may be some of that.

I'm also wondering if insurance will pay if the residents refused to repair the structural problems.

[Isobel Archer]

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@elated wrote:

This is so sad for those whose lives have been lost. After reading many articles, it appears that there was a conflict between the tenants and the board regarding the cost of repairs. The first estimate was $9 million and two years later 15 million. Many didn't want to pay for the repairs. The board offered them options for financing. It just seems strange that this was not a priority. One maintenance man said they had to replace the pumps in the garage every month due to the water.

I guess I just don't understand why repairs were delayed. Many of the board members resigned in 2019 due to the conflict. It appears the eminent danger was not communicated. Sad for all families.

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According to the Washington Post this morning, the dire nature of the  danger was communicated - at an increasing rate - according to records of the board.

[lovesrecess]

1. The rescue efforts have been halted indefinitely due to concerns of the instability of the remaining structure (North Tower) that did not collapse. They said the rescue efforts will resume when they figure out the next steps;  remaining tower is now deemed too fragile and poses a threat to the workers should some high concrete that has shifted fall. They said the building has had 6-12 inches of movement. They will need to shore up the remaining tower in order to continue the rescue efforts. Sounds to me like it may be coming down as well. I hope everyone who lived there is moved out and is now in a safer place.