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Re: Signed Mom Up for Assisted Living at Last!!!

On 1/9/2015 Teacups said:
On 1/9/2015 terrier3 said:

How sad.

My mom was a handful too and took great glee in insulting me to tears.

But she was my mother and I cared for her out of respect and didn't regret doing so. She had NO money - I supported her.

If your mom has dementia - how are her actions HER fault?

right on Terrier...I took care of my Mom and Step dad too. I am glad I did!

No one should be judging here. No child is obligated to take care of a difficult parent in their own home. The only duty a child has is to be sure that the parent is safe and provided for properly.

It would be one thing if the aging process turned her into a difficult person, but after a lifetime of it, I'd be darned if I'd find myself on the wrong side of the law because a difficult parent wanted to report false things about their care and treatment from me.

It sounds like this woman has made a life out of being difficult and that does not have to be tolerated, just because someone gets old. Sounds like she's been given several opportunities to live with family, and she is choosing (within reason due to the possible dementia) to not get along, therefore has chosen her new surroundings.

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Re: Signed Mom Up for Assisted Living at Last!!!

On 1/11/2015 mominohio said:
On 1/9/2015 Teacups said:
On 1/9/2015 terrier3 said:

How sad.

My mom was a handful too and took great glee in insulting me to tears.

But she was my mother and I cared for her out of respect and didn't regret doing so. She had NO money - I supported her.

If your mom has dementia - how are her actions HER fault?

right on Terrier...I took care of my Mom and Step dad too. I am glad I did!

No one should be judging here. No child is obligated to take care of a difficult parent in their own home. The only duty a child has is to be sure that the parent is safe and provided for properly.

It would be one thing if the aging process turned her into a difficult person, but after a lifetime of it, I'd be darned if I'd find myself on the wrong side of the law because a difficult parent wanted to report false things about their care and treatment from me.

It sounds like this woman has made a life out of being difficult and that does not have to be tolerated, just because someone gets old. Sounds like she's been given several opportunities to live with family, and she is choosing (within reason due to the possible dementia) to not get along, therefore has chosen her new surroundings.

That exactly right.

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Did you ever hear the story about the family (mom, dad, and 3 kids) that went on vacation and, sadly, their dear wife and mother died while on vacation far from home? As the father and children were returning home on a train, the children were acting up and really annoying the passengers. One of them said something to the father in an angry voice..... to which the father replied...."I'm so sorry, but you see ....their mother died while we were vacationing. She is in the baggage car and we are taking her home". At that point the passengers pitched in and helped with the children. Moral of this story:

Don't judge what's on the train till you know what is in the baggage car.

That's what some here are doing. They can't possibly know your circumstances. We are not cookie cutter people and our circumstances are all different. I hope you just let it roll of your back and know that many of us here have been where you are and we understand and do not for one minute think you have neglected your duties. In fact....it looks to me like your family has gone the extra mile with all that I read you and your sister have provided for and the considerations you gave her. I find it admirable. Good luck to you!

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Re: Signed Mom Up for Assisted Living at Last!!!

On 1/11/2015 Brinklii said:
On 1/11/2015 occasional rain said:
On 1/9/2015 Bestdressed said:
On 1/9/2015 occasional rain said:

From the OP's posts it seems she's not, and never has been, fond of her mother. Of course her mother is aware that she's not a welcome addition to the family which explains her behavior. So, under the circumstances she's better off in assisted living than a home where she is unwanted.

Wow... You must know more then most of us. I fully support your decision Madisson. It isn't easy taking care of our aging parents. There is more then one path in deciding which is best for our parents well being and care. Some comments cut like a knife on this board.

Look at the title with all the exclamation marks. It's like the OP won the lottery. So what if her mother has become cantankerous, she's 90. Instead of rules and ultimatums a little humor and understanding would have been a better solution. The OP should be ashamed and so should her husband.

You are always a miserable woman, Occasional Rain. Obviously you can't read either. If you had, you would see that her mother did not become cantankerous. She has always been cantankerous and abusive. The OP is a saint for taking her mother into her home -- especially because the mother was always an abusive mother. The OP gave it a try for four years after her sister could not stand the mother any longer.

You are the one who should be ashamed of yourself, Occasional Rain, and you know it. You are rude and deliberately mean to everyone on this board, and you like trying to make everyone else as miserable as you are. Obviously, you are not happy with your life. I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet. You actually enjoy trying to provoke people. What a sick person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When the time comes, you better hope that one of your children wants you (not likely) if you treat them as nasty as you treat everyone on this board.

I read the OP but not the additional one where M backtracked and made excuses for her gleefulness. I have read many posts from others who have had no choice but to place their parent into assisted living or a nursing home. None of them were gleeful, none disparaged their parent, none could be envisioned doing a happy dance, none began their post with a "Woo".

As to controlling, it seems the OP and her husband are as controlling as she claims her mother to be.

If not for her mother the OP would not exist, she should think about that.

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On 1/12/2015 occasional rain said:
On 1/11/2015 Brinklii said:
On 1/11/2015 occasional rain said:
On 1/9/2015 Bestdressed said:
On 1/9/2015 occasional rain said:

From the OP's posts it seems she's not, and never has been, fond of her mother. Of course her mother is aware that she's not a welcome addition to the family which explains her behavior. So, under the circumstances she's better off in assisted living than a home where she is unwanted.

Wow... You must know more then most of us. I fully support your decision Madisson. It isn't easy taking care of our aging parents. There is more then one path in deciding which is best for our parents well being and care. Some comments cut like a knife on this board.

Look at the title with all the exclamation marks. It's like the OP won the lottery. So what if her mother has become cantankerous, she's 90. Instead of rules and ultimatums a little humor and understanding would have been a better solution. The OP should be ashamed and so should her husband.

You are always a miserable woman, Occasional Rain. Obviously you can't read either. If you had, you would see that her mother did not become cantankerous. She has always been cantankerous and abusive. The OP is a saint for taking her mother into her home -- especially because the mother was always an abusive mother. The OP gave it a try for four years after her sister could not stand the mother any longer.

You are the one who should be ashamed of yourself, Occasional Rain, and you know it. You are rude and deliberately mean to everyone on this board, and you like trying to make everyone else as miserable as you are. Obviously, you are not happy with your life. I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet. You actually enjoy trying to provoke people. What a sick person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When the time comes, you better hope that one of your children wants you (not likely) if you treat them as nasty as you treat everyone on this board.

I read the OP but not the additional one where M backtracked and made excuses for her gleefulness. I have read many posts from others who have had no choice but to place their parent into assisted living or a nursing home. None of them were gleeful, none disparaged their parent, none could be envisioned doing a happy dance, none began their post with a "Woo".

As to controlling, it seems the OP and her husband are as controlling as she claims her mother to be.

If not for her mother the OP would not exist, she should think about that.

You must be reading a different thread, as I did not read anything where Madisson "backtracked" and made excuses for her so-called "gleefulness." Maybe you did not read the thread she posted before Christmas. After she took care of her mother for four years, her father for two years, and her MIL for 1 l/2 years, apparently she is feeling a little relief and elation at her newfound freedom.

Many people on this forum have disparaged their parents and other family members -- and justifiably so. Many people on these boards also come here for a little support -- not for your brutal attacks. I'm sure your family must be disparaging you behind your back if you behave towards them like you act on this board.

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On 1/12/2015 jubilant said:

Did you ever hear the story about the family (mom, dad, and 3 kids) that went on vacation and, sadly, their dear wife and mother died while on vacation far from home? As the father and children were returning home on a train, the children were acting up and really annoying the passengers. One of them said something to the father in an angry voice..... to which the father replied...."I'm so sorry, but you see ....their mother died while we were vacationing. She is in the baggage car and we are taking her home". At that point the passengers pitched in and helped with the children. Moral of this story:

Don't judge what's on the train till you know what is in the baggage car.

That's what some here are doing. They can't possibly know your circumstances. We are not cookie cutter people and our circumstances are all different. I hope you just let it roll of your back and know that many of us here have been where you are and we understand and do not for one minute think you have neglected your duties. In fact....it looks to me like your family has gone the extra mile with all that I read you and your sister have provided for and the considerations you gave her. I find it admirable. Good luck to you!

Jubilant, nice story with a great moral to it! I hope Madisson sees it.

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On 1/12/2015 occasional rain said:

I wrote backtracked when I should have posted what was obvious, the long list of selfless caregiving, the mother's abuse, in the second post is a fantasy and an attempt to make the OP into someone she's not.

You do realize that the mother is verbally abusive, and always has been right?

You do realize that no one has to put up with being abused, verbally, or otherwise, right?

You do realize that just because one is a parent, that that does not give them a free pass on being abusive, right?

And you do realize that when one is being abused, day in, and day out, that one will reach their breaking point, on being abused right?

I mean, you do realize all of that, right?

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On 1/11/2015 glb613 said:


"Edited to add, the reason no other home would take him was medicare. Once he was RE hospitalized (half dead till then) then the GOOD home would take him. Sorry I got so wound up I forgot to add this earlier. It was about insurance when my sibling would call places this is what he was told.

Rehab facilities can be very difficult and/or inadequate for patients with severe dementia. We found this when my mom, who had Alzheimer's, broke her hip and had to be in rehab for several weeks. They did work with her, but it was very challenging as she had difficulty understanding and following through on directions, and she was a great fall risk because she could not remember that she couldn't stand and walk on her own because of her hip injury. There were some initial problems with staff, but after our family had a meeting with the nursing supervisor, I believe they tried very hard to do their best for Mom. However, no facility can provide 24/7 one on one supervision for an extended period of time. We ended up having family or a private-pay caregiver with mom all the time. Ironically, Mom fell again and dislocated the repaired hip while under the supervision of the private pay person, who stepped away for a moment to use the restroom. There just is no perfect, foolproof way when people become sick, incompetent, and at great risks for falls and other mishaps.

Honestly, Shorty, I sincerely hope you will seek help to come to better terms with your father's illness and death. Your personal suffering is hard to read. I am sorry for the misery your father (and you) endured during his last days......but it does no good to blame and continually punish yourself for his experiences. They are over now, and your father is at rest. You are perhaps only hoping that his experience would have been much better or his life longer in another environment. He was old, sick, demented, and he died. I am sorry for your loss."

I worked in Health Care for 38 years and therapy is the "Bread and Butter" of most institutions. Therapy (Physical, Occupational and Speech) generates revenue and we are pushed to provide it everyone whether they need it or not. So for therapy to tell a family they must stop, there has to be a good reason.

Most of the time it's due to lack of progress. As a Therapist, you must be able to document measurable progress on a regular basis. When Patients have dementia, the ability to teach and a skill and make progress is very difficult and often fails. There comes a time when the therapy has to stop. It's never pleasant to cut off services. I should know, I had to do it more times than I want to remember. But it would be considered Medicare Fraud if you don't. When Patients are under Medicare part A for rehab, no therapy, no payment for room and board. The exception would be if there was another skilled level of care that is covered by Medicare part A like a wound.

As posted, I hope Shorty gets some professional help for her anger and grief.

I so agree with you. I am not an expert on some rules and regulations, but I can also say (as an RN) that a facility or caregiver has to JUSTIFY progress to continue under Medicare. Especially for physical therapy or other services that should see PROGRESS.

If a person is unwilling or unable (mentally or physically) to progress in therapy, by law, you must discharge them from that service. It WOULD be considered Medicare fraud. I worked as a visiting nurse, and we had to document progress in services also.

My own mother was going to be discharged from physical therapy (she had multiple sclerosis) due to seeming lack of cooperation. It wasn't that really, but she was medicated heavily for severe spasms of her legs. I used to go to the meetings to persuade them to KEEP her in therapy.

As an RN who worked with this a lot, and a daughter, it is SO HARD to go through it. MOST extended care facilities have very caring workers who work really hard under tough and especially for the nursing assistants, not very much money. Most care about their patients a LOT. We were always trying to find ways to make things better and help families too.

My mother went to one at the end of her life (we didn't know it at the time). We just couldn't meet her needs for 24 hour care, lifting, etc. A caregiver in the home is pie in the sky most of the time. My mother actually felt SECURE being there with access to 24 hour help. Try not to judge this decision if it is made.

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Re: Signed Mom Up for Assisted Living at Last!!!

On 1/12/2015 occasional rain said:

In the OP the mother was described as controlling, whined, and complained.

No mention what so ever of her mother abusing anyone until M tried to paint herself as a saint in her later entry. Why wasn't the abuse mentioned in the original post if true?

I didn't know one had to write their entire autobiography in an opening post.

Good to know for the future.

So, the o/p has to put up with a controlling, whining, complaining person, just because that person gave birth to her?

Just because one is a parent, is NO reason, for them to make others miserable.

Everyone reaches a breaking point, when one puts up with that day in and day out.

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On 1/12/2015 occasional rain said:

In the OP the mother was described as controlling, whined, and complained.

No mention what so ever of her mother abusing anyone until M tried to paint herself as a saint in her later entry. Why wasn't the abuse mentioned in the original post if true?

You must have come in at the end of the saga. This is a follow up to a December thread.