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Re: Rising Sea Levels-From NOAA 2021


@candyagain wrote:

@Drythe wrote:

@agb80 wrote:

No matter what the U.S. does it will be negated by India and China.  Not much we can do about that.  


 

 

@agb80 

 

As the ‘leading industrial’ nation,

I think we shoud lead the way, rather than find/make excuses.

 

 

 


Think it's China now. Ask them to lead the way.......


@candyagain 

 

You may certainly think of China as your leader... up to you.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Rising Sea Levels-From NOAA 2021


@Drythe wrote:

@candyagain wrote:

@Drythe wrote:

@agb80 wrote:

No matter what the U.S. does it will be negated by India and China.  Not much we can do about that.  


 

 

@agb80 

 

As the ‘leading industrial’ nation,

I think we shoud lead the way, rather than find/make excuses.

 

 

 


Think it's China now. Ask them to lead the way.......


@candyagain 

 

You may certainly think of China as your leader... up to you.

 

 

 

 


Oh gosh, no. However they are leading the world as an industrial nation.

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Re: Rising Sea Levels-From NOAA 2021


@Drythe wrote:

@Sooner wrote:

@Drythe wrote:

@agb80 wrote:

No matter what the U.S. does it will be negated by India and China.  Not much we can do about that.  


 

 

@agb80 

 

As the ‘leading industrial’ nation,

I think we should lead the way, rather than find/make excuses.

 

 

 


@Drythe LEAD China and India?  Well, see how that works out for us. . . 


@Sooner 

 

While you and I disagree on many points, no need to intentionally mis-state my comments.  They ARE as valid as yours.

 

We may see indeed as to how doing nothing ourselves about this issue works out.  I believe our country should indeed lead the way in betterment.


@Drythe And I think our days of leading other countries is passed.  And yes, we think differently about that.  I am tired of saying disagree, when I see it as we simply think differently about that issue. 

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Re: Rising Sea Levels-From NOAA 2021


@Drythe wrote:

@agb80 wrote:

No matter what the U.S. does it will be negated by India and China.  Not much we can do about that.  


 

 

@agb80 

 

As the ‘leading industrial’ nation,

I think we should lead the way, rather than find/make excuses.

 

 

 


@Drythe I agree but not at the expense of tens of thousands of jobs that disappeared due to foolish ideology. 

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Re: Rising Sea Levels-From NOAA 2021


@Drythe wrote:

@agb80 wrote:

No matter what the U.S. does it will be negated by India and China.  Not much we can do about that.  


 

 

@agb80 

 

As the ‘leading industrial’ nation,

I think we should lead the way, rather than find/make excuses.

 

 

 

Hi there @Drythe 

 

Last I heard the United States is leading the way. Excuses? That would be China, waiting till 2036, and India?

 

But really, I was here for the Ice Age that wasn't, and now the Glaciers are melting?

 

Why the terminology of Ice Age and Global Warming, now switched to Climate Change? 

 

I'm thinking because the climate has been changing for centuries, and that covers the whole sphere.

 

 

hckynut 

 

 

 

 


 

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If your home was on an intracoastal street and each time there was a king tide the storm drains backed up and salt water flooded the entire street, entering more homes each occurence, you might feel completely different. 

 

It's easy to be irreverent and complacent about an issue if you're the person who has never been affected.

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Re: Rising Sea Levels-From NOAA 2021


@hckynut wrote:

@Drythe wrote:

@agb80 wrote:

No matter what the U.S. does it will be negated by India and China.  Not much we can do about that.  


 

 

 

Hi there @Drythe 

 

Last I heard the United States is leading the way. Excuses? That would be China, waiting till 2036, and India?

 

But really, I was here for the Ice Age that wasn't, and now the Glaciers are melting?

 

Why the terminology of Ice Age and Global Warming, now switched to Climate Change? 

 

I'm thinking because the climate has been changing for centuries, and that covers the whole sphere.

 

 

hckynut 

 

 

 

 


 


My thinking is that they changed the trm to "climate change" because it better fits their agenda. The climate has been changing for centuries, and will continue to do so when  humans are gone. It's a money maker. Certain people are getting rich off it. I doubt all of them really care about the earth; maybe some do, but others just like the money that comes from it. 

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Re: Rising Sea Levels-From NOAA 2021


@decaf wrote:

If your home was on an intracoastal street and each time there was a king tide the storm drains backed up and salt water flooded the entire street, entering more homes each occurence, you might feel completely different. 

 

It's easy to be irreverent and complacent about an issue if you're the person who has never been affected.


@decaf   Agree. 

 

Be prepared for some to back-pedal now.

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Re: Rising Sea Levels-From NOAA 2021

I live directly across the street from the Mannington Meadows here in South Jersey and I've lived here for all of my 62 years and I can state with out fear that the tides and water level here are the same as they've always been. If anything they might be less as the house across the street that used to turn into an island with really high tides is high and dry these days. The road used to flood on a regular basis and never does these days. (Part of that may be due to several repavings that raised the road a bit.)

 

When it comes to rising sea levels, if they exist at all, you also have to factor in the billions of gallons taken from underground aquifers, the billions of gallons that get collected in storm drains and moved to the nearbyrivers/strea,m/creeks and ultimately back to the ocean.

 

Here in New Jersey we have the Kirkwood/Cohansey aquifer that holds about 17 trillion gallons of water. There are almost 958 high volume wells pumping an average of 400 gallons per minute from that aquifer. At 400 gallons per minute that's 576,000 gallons per day. Where does it go? Into municipal water supplies where it's used and then sent to waste treatment plants where it's treated and then dumped into nearby rivers/bays and ultimately back to the ocean. 

 

So, from one aquifer serving just part of NJ we're dumping about a half million gallons of water a day into the ocean. That's 210+ million gallons of water per year from one small part of one small state. And guess what? New Jersey isn't the only state doing this! It happens all around the country and all around the world! 

 

So, um, why aren't we all under water now? A funny thing happens when sea levels rise. They hit dry land. As hard as this is to believe for the "World is ending!" folk, water doesn't just pile up on dry soil. It gets grabbed by nasty old gravity and pulled downward, as far as gravity can pull it. There it pools and surprise! Becomes an aquifer.

 

A funny thing happens when water goes into the ground. It displaces the land above it. As it goes down, the land goes up! Whoa! Who could have seen that coming? Well, anyone with a basic understanding of physics, but that's besides the point.

 

Around here all the paved roads have storm sewers that dump rain water back to the river. Many homes connect their gutters to drain that funnels the water to the storm sewers. All the paved drvieways are sloped so rain water (and snow melt) end up going down to the gutters adn into the storm sewers and off to the rivers. This is a whole lot of water that should have been absorbed by the soil being diverted to the seas. Hundreds of millions of gallons per year. But just ignore that. It's not important.

 

The "We're all doomed!" crowd tends to ignore any sicence that discagrees with their beliefs. If the initial predicitons of rising sea levels from global warming back in the late seventies had been accurate, I'd be typing this with water up to my chin. Guess what? They were wrong. Oh, but now we know better! Uh, no. 

 

As to Venice, I find it entertaining that people think Roman builders 1600 years ago made buildings that couldn't sink into wet, boggy soil on the islands they built them on, but now think no modern building should ever be built on such soil or they'll sink and collapse. Is the sea level in Venice rising or are the buildings sinking? Or is it a little of both?

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Re: Rising Sea Levels-From NOAA 2021

I started this thread as a thinking thread, not as a platform to insult others.

 

The climate issue is a complex one with no definitive answers.

 

 

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