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Re: Prayers this Sunday morning


@Jackaranda wrote:

 


@MoJoV wrote:

I'll never be desensitized to this kind of insanity.  Kindergartners aren't even excepted from it as we've learned.  Thinking of the heartache for the families and our country.


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Never meant to "judge."  I'm not like that.  Sorry if I made you feel that way.

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Re: Prayers this Sunday morning

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@MENTL  Please refrain from name-calling. 

 

P.S.  

"He" was mourning the free-will choice made by a man with a damaged soul.

 

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Re: Prayers this Sunday morning


@Ms X wrote:

@Moonchilde wrote:

@Ms X wrote:

I don't think the nature of the victims will be forgotten, as there's a news story out quoting the terrorist's father as saying he was upset about men kissing each other.  I'm starting to wonder whether this is classic terrorism or whether he had a mental illness or maybe both.  We still don't know for sure why he did this.  It could have been a mixture of motives.

 

 


 

 

A mental illness only if hatred and bigotry are mental illnesses.

 

Motive? Hatred, bigotry and religious extremism - any or all of which could still have been motives if his name was John Smith.


As for the religious extremism, I'm not sure what aspect of John Smith's religion would motivate him to do this. 


 

 

Seriously? Muslims are not the only people on the planet, or in the US, who would physically harm or kill someone for their orientation. To pretend otherwise is pretty disingenuous.

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Re: Prayers this Sunday morning


@MoJoV wrote:

@Jackaranda wrote:

 


@MoJoV wrote:

I'll never be desensitized to this kind of insanity.  Kindergartners aren't even excepted from it as we've learned.  Thinking of the heartache for the families and our country.


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Becoming desensitized can be a coping mechanism. Please don't judge.

Never meant to "judge."  I'm not like that.  Sorry if I made you feel that way.


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I am sorry also then. Just a misunderstanding .

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Re: Prayers this Sunday morning


@Moonchilde wrote:

@Ms X wrote:

@Moonchilde wrote:

@Ms X wrote:

I don't think the nature of the victims will be forgotten, as there's a news story out quoting the terrorist's father as saying he was upset about men kissing each other.  I'm starting to wonder whether this is classic terrorism or whether he had a mental illness or maybe both.  We still don't know for sure why he did this.  It could have been a mixture of motives.

 

 


 

 

A mental illness only if hatred and bigotry are mental illnesses.

 

Motive? Hatred, bigotry and religious extremism - any or all of which could still have been motives if his name was John Smith.


As for the religious extremism, I'm not sure what aspect of John Smith's religion would motivate him to do this. 


 

 

Seriously? Muslims are not the only people on the planet, or in the US, who would physically harm or kill someone for their orientation. To pretend otherwise is pretty disingenuous.


I was not aware that Catholics, Protestants, evangelicals, or Jews are 'harming or killing someone for their orientation' motivated by their religion.  If you are saying they are, can you give examples?

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Re: Prayers this Sunday morning


@Moonchilde wrote:

@Jackaranda wrote:

I wasn't going to say this but I guess I can't help myself. We had the White House lit up in rainbow last summer. The truth that is getting tippy toed around is the shooters thoughts on what we Americans are slowly but surely tolerating and passing laws for theirs wishes and rights.


 

 

Didn't have to wait long until someone chose to be both political and ugly.

 

Yes, we Americans ARE passing civil rights laws once again - no matter how much the bigoted, homophobic and extreme don't like it. There is often a heavy price to pay for civil rights. Just ask Martin Luther King, Jr.


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I shouldn't have been, but I was appalled by jackaranda's statement.

It seems one of the lasts bastions of "acceptable" bigotry is homophobia. 

It's a long road to equality. Some days it seems longer than others.

 

Oh, and just for your info jackaranda...

It is not just "their" wishes and rights.  It's my wish too.

 

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Re: Prayers this Sunday morning

What we tolerate in this country is hate.  Hate and homophobia.

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Re: Prayers this Sunday morning


@Moonchilde wrote:

@Ms X wrote:

@Moonchilde wrote:

@Ms X wrote:

I don't think the nature of the victims will be forgotten, as there's a news story out quoting the terrorist's father as saying he was upset about men kissing each other.  I'm starting to wonder whether this is classic terrorism or whether he had a mental illness or maybe both.  We still don't know for sure why he did this.  It could have been a mixture of motives.

 

 


 

 

A mental illness only if hatred and bigotry are mental illnesses.

 

Motive? Hatred, bigotry and religious extremism - any or all of which could still have been motives if his name was John Smith.


As for the religious extremism, I'm not sure what aspect of John Smith's religion would motivate him to do this. 


 

 

Seriously? Muslims are not the only people on the planet, or in the US, who would physically harm or kill someone for their orientation. To pretend otherwise is pretty disingenuous.


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Re: Prayers this Sunday morning

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

@Moonchilde wrote:

@Jackaranda wrote:

I wasn't going to say this but I guess I can't help myself. We had the White House lit up in rainbow last summer. The truth that is getting tippy toed around is the shooters thoughts on what we Americans are slowly but surely tolerating and passing laws for theirs wishes and rights.


 

 

Didn't have to wait long until someone chose to be both political and ugly.

 

Yes, we Americans ARE passing civil rights laws once again - no matter how much the bigoted, homophobic and extreme don't like it. There is often a heavy price to pay for civil rights. Just ask Martin Luther King, Jr.


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I shouldn't have been, but I was appalled by jackaranda's statement.

It seems one of the lasts bastions of "acceptable" bigotry is homophobia. 

It's a long road to equality. Some days it seems longer than others.

 

Oh, and just for your info jackaranda...

It is not just "their" wishes and rights.  It's my wish too.

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Oh if you are not appalled  or shaking your head at me I would be disappointed. 

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Re: Prayers this Sunday morning


@Noel7 wrote:

What we tolerate in this country is hate.  Hate and homophobia.


Noel7:  I don't think people are tolerating or condoning these actions.  I suppose that in a country of 330 million you could dig up someone who does, but overall everyone is horrified by this and disturbed that it could happen again.  If people have a different viewpoint or religious conviction, that doesn't mean they hate or condone this kind of thing.  It's shocking that he was able to kill 20 people and wound something like 40 more.