People who are always late for work - Page 12

Lipstickdiva · ‎03-10-2010

@SydneyH wrote:
@Lipstickdiva wrote:

Am I reading this correctly? As long as you are no more than 6 minutes late, you are considered on time?

I don't consider that to be on time. If someone is supposed to be at work at 8:00 and they get there at 8:05, IMO they are late. My husband has always had to clock in where he works and they have zero leeway. If you are 1 minute late, you are considered late.
You have up to 20 people appearing for a shift, therefore the 1 minute thing is not viable. You can punch either 7 minutes prior, or 7 minutes after your scheduled time.

I don't get why it's not viable if you are punching a time clock? I can understand if you don't punch a time clock that it would be hard to keep track of that many people. But there are companies that employ hundreds of people per shift and they are expected to be on time everyday or they are written up. With a time clock, that's easy to do.

If a person is late even 6 minutes every single day during a 5 day work week, that's 30 minutes they aren't working that they are getting paid for. That's the equivalent of another lunch. Over the course of an entire year, that's 3 days off.

SydneyH · ‎03-10-2010

I don't get why it's not viable if you are punching a time clock? I can understand if you don't punch a time clock that it would be hard to keep track of that many people. But there are companies that employ hundreds of people per shift and they are expected to be on time everyday or they are written up. With a time clock, that's easy to do.

If a person is late even 6 minutes every single day during a 5 day work week, that's 30 minutes they aren't working that they are getting paid for. That's the equivalent of another lunch. Over the course of an entire year, that's 3 days off.

This company does employ thousands, all stores use the same time keeping system. I would imagine HR has decided this is a good way to measure punctuality, keep in mind this also works in reverse, you can't not punch out more that 7 minutes after your scheduled time either. You also need to use the time clock to approve your time card and request time off, that would mean more time using the system than just punching in. I highly doubt they are losing money in this manner.

Peoplearenuts · ‎04-21-2010

Yes, we have all worked with "one of those". Sometimes management does address it, but most of the time it does no good. Take an active approach - all of you start coming in 10-15 minutes late every day for a week or so and see how that goes over. Sometimes management needs a slap in the face. I had one supervisor who would start meetings at 4:00 - we were hourly and our quit time was 4:30. After a couple of times with the meetings running 15-20 minutes past our quit time, at 4:30 I asked him if he was done or if we were getting paid over time. Stand up for yourself - no one else is going to do it if your keep putting up with this co-worker's behavior.

HomeShoppingLover87 · ‎08-06-2013

I'm going to add myself to the "It depends on the worplace" camp. If you're making someone wait for you, cover for you, etc., yes, being chronically late is inconsiderate. But at my work, we all do our jobs very independently of one another. I could theoretically do my job from home, but prefer not to. And our start-time is arbitrary. It is just a time someone who doesn't even work in the department chose that apparently sounded good to them.

I am very much not a morning person and am going through a personal issue that also makes it very hard for me to get to work as early as I'm technically supposed to, so I have talked to my boss about whether she's OK if I come in a bit later. She doesn't mind. I also stay later than anyone else, often even later than necessary. I might also add that I am frequently honored for my contributions to the company, so I'm not trying to blow my own horn, but just show that "late" doesn't necessarily equal "slacker."

It's a bit disheartening that so many people apparently think being late is a subtle sign of narcissism, which I at least hope they're using as a general term meaning "self-centered" rather than the actual clinical definition of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which is just a step below sociopathy, in terms of one's disregard for others. Call me a flake, fine, but actually impugning someone's character over what may be an understandable situation is pretty harsh.

And as for the other employees getting resentful, well, it happens. There are things I find myself getting resentful over, including from some of the employees who do come in early, but do other things that don't seem fair to me. But the bottom line is, just like with sick time, a person and his or her boss are not legally required to share with the rest of the office what's going on with them. Quite the opposite, actually.

febe1 · ‎01-22-2012

It causes friction if some employees are on time and others are permitted to come in late. It's a poor supervisor or manager who allows this. As a supervisor or manager who doesn't care about those who work for her coming in later than she does, looks a fool.

HomeShoppingLover87 · ‎08-06-2013

@febe1 Maybe, but at some point, it becomes about managing your own response to perceived unfairness. Personally, I think it's nice to have a boss who doesn't particularly care when you come in, as long as you get your job done.

I might also add that I am not the only employee who does this at my work place, so I hope that makes it seem a little less unfair. And I know that several of my colleagues don't ever want to work late, and therefore make an effort to get in on time for that reason, not because they're such team players. They're also the first to run for the door when it's anywhere near quittin' time.

151949 · ‎03-09-2010

@HomeShoppingLover87 wrote:
@febe1 Maybe, but at some point, it becomes about managing your own response to perceived unfairness. Personally, I think it's nice to have a boss who doesn't particularly care when you come in, as long as you get your job done.

I might also add that I am not the only employee who does this at my work place, so I hope that makes it seem a little less unfair. And I know that several of my colleagues don't ever want to work late, and therefore make an effort to get in on time for that reason, not because they're such team players. They're also the first to run for the door when it's anywhere near quittin' time.

Interesting how you think it is perfectly acceptable to wander in at any time in the morning but you actually put down those who come in on time and then desire to also leave on time. Newsflash -- they were there when the company opened and were probably doing your work and answering your phone until you deemed it reasonable to show up. How nice for you that you stay after the business closes and finish your work without having to put up with interruptions like answering the phone, or being interrupted by coworkers or customers etc.

chickenbutt · ‎03-09-2010

I don't think it's a personal assault to people who have situations where flexible hours are permitted.

This is about when there are very specific work hours dictated. The ones who follow the rules show up on time. The ones who seem not to care about being a part of that same team, or just choose to not be aware of the damage they cause around them, and just show up whenever they get there - that's another thing altogether.

It's where, for example, either everybody comes in from 9am to 6pm, or there are shifts so people are relieving others. When everybody is expected to be there in time for when they have agreed to be there and there is one (or more) person who doesn't seem to respect that and is chronically late, it DOES affect everybody else and it's just patently wrong.

That also doesn't speak to some emergency or an accident on the freeway, etc, causing somebody to be late once in a blue moon.

I hope all that made sense.

febe1 · ‎01-22-2012

@HomeShoppingLover87 wrote:
@febe1 Maybe, but at some point, it becomes about managing your own response to perceived unfairness. Personally, I think it's nice to have a boss who doesn't particularly care when you come in, as long as you get your job done.

I might also add that I am not the only employee who does this at my work place, so I hope that makes it seem a little less unfair. And I know that several of my colleagues don't ever want to work late, and therefore make an effort to get in on time for that reason, not because they're such team players. They're also the first to run for the door when it's anywhere near quittin' time.

@HomeShoppingLover87, I don't see anything wrong in employees choosing working hours to accommodate themselves if it's ok with your supervisor, as long as they're timely in whichever hours chosen. It's professional and fair. I don't believe in cheating your employer. It's the mgr's. job to see this doesn't happen and cause other employees conflict in seeing them get away with it. It's not good for employee morale.

Tissyanne · ‎12-07-2012

I am one who thinks that people who come to work late routinely are inconsiderate, and any boss who tolerates it is inconsiderate of the other employees. To keep an employee "because they are better than nothing" is a coward, and should not be in a management position. That's all.