Re: People today amaze me.

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

@Noel7 wrote:
@SahmIam wrote:
@SeaMaiden wrote:
It is the way today's young generation are...they are all selfish and thoughtless...the me me me generation. They have no pride in themselves and have no consideration for anyone else.
Um...nope and nope.

She gave notice and was simply surprised (I'm willing to bet) that they told her to go head and leave. I did the same thing (as did my friends, co-workers, family members) back in the day and we're talking the 80's up till now.
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@SahmIam

Right, and "The Me Generation" was back in the 80s.

@Noel7

Than I guess the generation of the 50's, 60's and 70's are also guilty because my parents and their colleagues ALSO gave 2 weeks notice before leaving for another job. I started working in the late 70's and that was the norm for every employer. It is still the norm in my area (and industry) to give 2 weeks; same with my husbands.

I guess you're going to have to spell it out for me exactly WHAT did she do that was incorrect? To NOT give any notice and simply NOT show up is, IMHO, rude and selfish. If it's the attitude that she should have been allowed to stay and still get paid? Again, perhaps that has been her past experience.

Q4u · ‎03-17-2010

@itiswhatitis wrote:
@Stray wrote:
@Maudelynn wrote:
@libbyannE wrote:
@missy1 wrote:
So that employee will be out out a paycheck for a month+, yikes.
Fair's fair. What she did is wrong and thoughtless. She did not behave ethically.
Can you please explain exactly what she did that was wrong, thoughtless and unethical? I'm curious as to what part of giving 2 weeks notice is an issue?
@Maudelynn- I think accepting the position, knowing you applied for another and the chance exists that you are leaving is not ethical. The woman had no experience so why should a firm invest time and money in her. Wait and see which firm calls you back and then, make your decision. Don't waste people's time.
When people are looking for jobs, typically they apply at more than one place. That's what I've done. When in need of a job, I take the first one that calls me. I think many people would do this IF they NEED a job. A lot of the times, it might not be the one you want, but you take it. You have bills, need to keep a roof of your head and so on.

This woman had only been working one week when another employer that was interested in her decided to give her a shot. What is wrong about that? Not a thing. There is nothing unethical about having to do what is best for yourself in job situations.

I'm amazed that so many would think an employer deserves more consideration than the worker. Where would either be without each other?

I agree! I've seen good employees layed off and walked out the door in an hour. There is no loyalty on the Employer's side... it's just business! There is nothing unethical about being hired ~and then~ being hired for a better job and giving your first employer a 2 week notice. The only thing about this situation that bothers me is the extra workload for the OP's daughter and the naive reaction the new employee had regarding being told to leave immediately. It was a learning moment for her and it was just business.

*~"Never eat more than you can lift......" Miss Piggy~*

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

The days of employer loyalty are largely gone, and have been gone for almost 20 years, except perhaps for mom & pop businesses.

They once could not fire you without just cause, and two weeks severance pay was standard. In order to save money it's the *companies themselves* that have changed policy so that both employer and employee can leave at will - they did it so they could fire at will without notice and not owe an employee anything. And sometimes it backfires on them.

Not to mention yanking pensions and health insurance out from under long-term employees or severely curtailing them without warning. Employers in general are making it VERY clear they value employees not much - the larger the company the more accurate the sentiment. More and more poorly treated long-tetm employees are gettin' with the program and using it to *their* advantage.

In this girl's case, this is the only business ethics she knows, because they were given to her by today's working world.

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

Ms X · ‎09-13-2012

I have to agree with previous posters about the outrageous lack of consideration, much less loyalty, that today's employers pay to their workers. A close friend of mine's husband a number of years ago was abruptly let go by his employer (a major corporation whose name everyone would know) with NO NOTICE. He had worked there for 25 years. The management lied to him and his fellow workers for about a year before they declared bankruptcy, STRINGING THEM ALONG. Then one day they asked them to come to a meeting on a Monday morning. These loyal workers who had made the company what it is did. And they were told that their health insurance was canceled as of that minute and they were laid off. The bigwigs then filed for bankruptcy or something with the court and then submitted HUGE BONUSES FOR THEMSELVES. All was approved.

My friend called me in a panic. She had a job with the city of Boston but could not get the family on her plan for a number of months. I called the governor's office in an attempt to help her, but was passed around from office to office and NEVER GOT AN ANSWER. The governor at the time (Jane Swift) had publicly announced a program for people in exactly this situation as far as health insurance goes, but there was no evidence that it existed. Luckily, they did not get sick in the months during which they had no insurance, and she was able to sign them up for her insurance.

The judge should have denied these bonuses if (s)he could have and given these greedy execs a tongue lashing they would remember until their dying day. My friend's husband never recovered from this loss GIVEN THAT SO MANY GOOD MANUFACTURING JOBS HAVE LEFT THE COUNTRY. I will never get over this. That is ridiculous to say because my friend and her husband felt this 1,000 times more than I did. This happens over and over. I don't know how these people in management can do this and not slit their own throats when they see the effects of what they do to people.

Q4u · ‎03-17-2010

@itiswhatitis wrote:
@Q4u wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@bri20 wrote:
She didn't do anything wrong by accepting another job.

The only thing she did wrong was assume her employer was going to keep her on until the other job started. At least she told them she accepted another job instead of not showing up for work.
@bri20, even her indignation that the employer wouldn't keep her until she left isn't wrong. It's just a reaction.
Yes it was just a reaction and based on her work inexperience but I bet she remembers this for a long time and adjusts accordingly. Nothing wrong whatsoever with her taking the other job and giving a 2 week notice. Most places will tell the employee to go ahead and leave.... it's just business.
She caused NO harm. Not to a soul. We as humans have a right to have "reactions." Our feelings and beliefs are what causes "reactions." She was not wrong for hers. Now, had she swung on her, that would be a different story in my opinion.

I agreed with you.... my comment regarding it being a reaction was to point out it was based on inexperience and she will probably remember it.

*~"Never eat more than you can lift......" Miss Piggy~*

Melania · ‎06-12-2013

@KathyPet wrote:
What amazed me was that she was still being trained at my daughter's firm and therefore was contributing absolutely nothing to the firm not to mention the drain on my daughter's time and yet she expected to be allowed to stay on for two weeks and get paid while being trained for a job she was never going to do on her own. I am not surprised she took the other job but to expect to stay on and get paid for contributing nothing and then get huffy when she was told to leave is what amazes me.

Seems the bone to pick would be with the employer...they determined the training and what she was supposed to do or NOT do in your words. I find it hard to believe she did nothing. What was she supposed to do...take on cases to ease the load of others? Your daughter's position requires that she train since she is head of the department...see how that works? Staying late may be part of it as well. If she didn't know it she needs to read her job description or get a copy from her employer.

If you daughter felt slighted it is up to her to go to her employer and deal with it.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

I totally understand why loyalty to an employer is gone in today's world. It's very different out there than when most of us got jobs.

A decade or two ago, many employers started getting rid of employees who were 40 years of age or older. They used a lot of tricks, phasing out job categories, reassigning, and hiring workers in their 20s who were glad to accept less pay and who would have no chance to earn benefits.

That was the case in the Bay Area for years, maybe it still is. We knew many people who lost their job that way, it made the papers, too. Laws were passed against age discrimination. They didn't fix it all but they made it harder to dump loyal employees.

Noel7 · ‎03-09-2010

@SahmIam wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@SahmIam wrote:
@SeaMaiden wrote:
It is the way today's young generation are...they are all selfish and thoughtless...the me me me generation. They have no pride in themselves and have no consideration for anyone else.
Um...nope and nope.

She gave notice and was simply surprised (I'm willing to bet) that they told her to go head and leave. I did the same thing (as did my friends, co-workers, family members) back in the day and we're talking the 80's up till now.
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@SahmIam

Right, and "The Me Generation" was back in the 80s.
@Noel7

Than I guess the generation of the 50's, 60's and 70's are also guilty because my parents and their colleagues ALSO gave 2 weeks notice before leaving for another job. I started working in the late 70's and that was the norm for every employer. It is still the norm in my area (and industry) to give 2 weeks; same with my husbands.

I guess you're going to have to spell it out for me exactly WHAT did she do that was incorrect? To NOT give any notice and simply NOT show up is, IMHO, rude and selfish. If it's the attitude that she should have been allowed to stay and still get paid? Again, perhaps that has been her past experience.