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[Noel7]

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@SahmIam wrote:

I know this hospital quite well; was there last week. ALL hospitals do this. ALL. The fact that a person with a cell phone has the ability to download a video MAY change things but don't count on it.

Usually it's Friday night when this happens because certain insurance won't pay for the patient to stay in over the weekend. You begin to hear the cries and arguments around 4pm as patients and families are informed they must leave. It's heartbreaking and it happens all over the nation in all hospitals.

Security does what they're told or they will lose their jobs and be blackballed from working at any other hospital. I know someone who deals with this on a daily basis. The decision comes NOT from the medical staff but from the "bean counters" as my Daddy used to say.

You'd be shocked if you knew all the blip the administrative staff does to say money but boy, nothing better happen to THEIR pay and perks.

BLEH.

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I received a letter from the state of NY that my brother,  who is severely mentally ill and resides in a nursing home, that if he needs hospital care his bed in the nursing home is not reserved. He is on his own and there is no guarantee he will ever be placed in another. Apparently this appalling practice is LEGAL.

I have seen the state of the mental health community for years both with my mom and my adoptive brother. Without family, they are left to the streets in many cases. 

The treatment of the mentally ill in this country is appalling.

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[SahmIam]

@Noel7  Your hospital does it the right way (sortakinda) but they are still clearing out patients for the same reason. The REASON is appalling enough; HOW they do it just adds insult to injury.

[Carmie]

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@SahmIam wrote:

I know this hospital quite well; was there last week. ALL hospitals do this. ALL. The fact that a person with a cell phone has the ability to download a video MAY change things but don't count on it.

Usually it's Friday night when this happens because certain insurance won't pay for the patient to stay in over the weekend. You begin to hear the cries and arguments around 4pm as patients and families are informed they must leave. It's heartbreaking and it happens all over the nation in all hospitals.

Security does what they're told or they will lose their jobs and be blackballed from working at any other hospital. I know someone who deals with this on a daily basis. The decision comes NOT from the medical staff but from the "bean counters" as my Daddy used to say.

You'd be shocked if you knew all the blip the administrative staff does to say money but boy, nothing better happen to THEIR pay and perks.

BLEH.

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I received a letter from the state of NY that my brother,  who is severely mentally ill and resides in a nursing home, that if he needs hospital care his bed in the nursing home is not reserved. He is on his own and there is no guarantee he will ever be placed in another. Apparently this appalling practice is LEGAL.

I have seen the state of the mental health community for years both with my mom and my adoptive brother. Without family, they are left to the streets in many cases. 

The treatment of the mentally ill in this country is appalling.

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Once a patient leaves a SNF for any reason, their room is not held.  Medicare, Medicaid  and Private Insurance will not pay for a room that is not occupied.  A patient can be gone for weeks.

When my MIL was in a SNF, I used to take her to our home, but had to have her back by bedtime.  She had to occupy the room in order for the facility to be paid.  

 If a patient is in the hospital, do you really expect insurance to pay for the hospital and the SNF room when the patient is only in one facility?

[GRACIE]

Humanity is simply caring for the welfare's of others less fortunate than yourself.A person with conscience would have not done this,no matter the circumstance's.

My son was in a small shopping mall that house a dollar store. A young man approach him and ask could he buy him a couple cans of Vienna sausages,because after paying his rent,there was no money for food. My son's walk ask  no questions took the young man inside the store and bought him enough food for a couple of days,,the young man,said first say that ok,  he just wanted a couple of cans..My son no problem,it's ok. 

Humanity to a fellow human being,is act of kindness. Some will say,let them find another way, I cannot solve  the world problems.A act of humanity is one step and one person, a step at a time. If everyone did that  just imagine how better off the world would be.Some may be offended by theses words, but my the grace of God is I. For I am blessed.

[Trinity11]

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@Carmie wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@SahmIam wrote:

I know this hospital quite well; was there last week. ALL hospitals do this. ALL. The fact that a person with a cell phone has the ability to download a video MAY change things but don't count on it.

Usually it's Friday night when this happens because certain insurance won't pay for the patient to stay in over the weekend. You begin to hear the cries and arguments around 4pm as patients and families are informed they must leave. It's heartbreaking and it happens all over the nation in all hospitals.

Security does what they're told or they will lose their jobs and be blackballed from working at any other hospital. I know someone who deals with this on a daily basis. The decision comes NOT from the medical staff but from the "bean counters" as my Daddy used to say.

You'd be shocked if you knew all the blip the administrative staff does to say money but boy, nothing better happen to THEIR pay and perks.

BLEH.

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I received a letter from the state of NY that my brother,  who is severely mentally ill and resides in a nursing home, that if he needs hospital care his bed in the nursing home is not reserved. He is on his own and there is no guarantee he will ever be placed in another. Apparently this appalling practice is LEGAL.

I have seen the state of the mental health community for years both with my mom and my adoptive brother. Without family, they are left to the streets in many cases. 

The treatment of the mentally ill in this country is appalling.

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Once a patient leaves a SNF for any reason, their room is not held.  Medicare, Medicaid  and Private Insurance will not pay for a room that is not occupied.  A patient can be gone for weeks.

When my MIL was in a SNF, I used to take her to our home, but had to have her back by bedtime.  She had to occupy the room in order for the facility to be paid.  

 If a patient is in the hospital, do you really expect insurance to pay for the hospital and the SNF room when the patient is only in one facility?

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@Carmie What I expect is that another room in the same facility would be given to the patient when they are well. If someone is living in a nursing home and is unable to function on their own, they could easily end up on the streets if they had no family. So, I think the humane thing to do is allow the individual back to wherever they have been living. 

[Carmie]

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@Carmie wrote:

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@Noel7 wrote:

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@SahmIam wrote:

I know this hospital quite well; was there last week. ALL hospitals do this. ALL. The fact that a person with a cell phone has the ability to download a video MAY change things but don't count on it.

Usually it's Friday night when this happens because certain insurance won't pay for the patient to stay in over the weekend. You begin to hear the cries and arguments around 4pm as patients and families are informed they must leave. It's heartbreaking and it happens all over the nation in all hospitals.

Security does what they're told or they will lose their jobs and be blackballed from working at any other hospital. I know someone who deals with this on a daily basis. The decision comes NOT from the medical staff but from the "bean counters" as my Daddy used to say.

You'd be shocked if you knew all the blip the administrative staff does to say money but boy, nothing better happen to THEIR pay and perks.

BLEH.

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I received a letter from the state of NY that my brother,  who is severely mentally ill and resides in a nursing home, that if he needs hospital care his bed in the nursing home is not reserved. He is on his own and there is no guarantee he will ever be placed in another. Apparently this appalling practice is LEGAL.

I have seen the state of the mental health community for years both with my mom and my adoptive brother. Without family, they are left to the streets in many cases. 

The treatment of the mentally ill in this country is appalling.

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Once a patient leaves a SNF for any reason, their room is not held.  Medicare, Medicaid  and Private Insurance will not pay for a room that is not occupied.  A patient can be gone for weeks.

When my MIL was in a SNF, I used to take her to our home, but had to have her back by bedtime.  She had to occupy the room in order for the facility to be paid.  

 If a patient is in the hospital, do you really expect insurance to pay for the hospital and the SNF room when the patient is only in one facility?

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@Carmie What I expect is that another room in the same facility would be given to the patient when they are well. If someone is living in a nursing home and is unable to function on their own, they could easily end up on the streets if they had no family. So, I think the humane thing to do is allow the individual back to wherever they have been living. 

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I agree and that request usually can be accommodated, but there is no guarantee. If they have a bed that is empty and a new patient needs it, that cannot hold the bed.  They must acccomodate the new patient.

[Noel7]

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@SahmIam wrote:

@Noel7  Your hospital does it the right way (sortakinda) but they are still clearing out patients for the same reason. The REASON is appalling enough; HOW they do it just adds insult to injury.

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@SahmIam

No, they are not clearing out patients, that was my point.  In fact, their rights for patients include the right to refuse discharge if you think you are not ready for release.

[Moonchilde]

It‘s not new and not rare. It often happens in medical facilities that operate on a shoestring budget in areas with a large indigent population. The hospitals don’t want to, and can’t afford to, foot bills they won’t be reimbursed for. Those with no insurance or on Medicaid are often treated this way. Media coverage is usually restricted to the city where it’s occurring so it doesn’t always get national coverage.

[aprilskies]

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@MickD wrote:

Absolutely no excuse!  Where was the discharge plan?  Clearly this poor soul is mentally ill and needed support and transfer to a shelter or transitional living.  This is the worst.....I can't believe this is still happening. Makes me cry.  We are really no better than what happened in the 70's.  I am disgusted.

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ITA!!!  There is no excuse for throwing anyone on the street in just a hospital gown in 30 degree weather.  None.  At the very least they could have given her a blanket.  I just don’t understand how people can sleep at night. But for her to be taken back to the same hospital, lmao.  I guess at the point she would get proper treatment considering they just made the news. Smh

The guy that helped her was her angel.  So glad to see there are still some decent people left. 

[hckynut]

Hi @KingstonsMom,

Didn't see it nor hear about it. In today's world, things can be altered/edited to make them appear something they are not. Throw in things like ridiculous videos on FB and other social media, like "dousing themselves with lighter fluid, in a shower, the lighting themselves on fire/seeing how much cinnamon the can shove down their throats", etc/etc

This happening is hard for me believe, especially in the climate(politically speaking, without being political), where people are not turned away. Will leave it at that.

hckynut(john)