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[pitdakota]

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@ALRATIBA wrote:

I would like the CDC post the results of all their research online.

I want the who, what, when and where of their studies.

I'm at the point where I just can't believe their pronouncements.

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@ALRATIBA, they do.  Just because you might not know how to explicity access the huge category of information on the CDC website, doesn't mean it isn't posted and available.

Most of the studies are published in the morbidity and mortality weekly report.  Anyone familiar with public health and/or the CDC is familiar with the research and articles published on an ongoing basis.

Here is just one page from the CDC website discussing several factors under discussion in this thread.  

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html?CDC_AA... 

You have to actually read the information and the particular studies are sourced in the information indentified in the footnotes.  One could take more than a couple of hours reviewing just the information and data available from just this one page of information on the CDC website. 

It gives information about vaccine efficacy overall, the effectiveness of vaccination against various SARS-CoV-2 variants, the impact of prevention measures in the context of vaccination, population attitudes toward vaccination and prevention measures, etc.  

[pitdakota]

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@Mom2Dogs wrote:

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@Sushismom wrote:

I wear a mask to make OTHERS feel safe. I wouldn't have a problem wearing one for "less than 3 minutues" even in the heat.

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There is NO WAY that woman came in contact with anything except her own air...she was behind two shields, a blocked paper slot and she was in an enclosed office......

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@Mom2Dogs,  unless I was  personally in that  office  to view the set up, there is is no way I could guarantee the woman in question would come into contact with anything other than her own air from others entering that office. 

Were the Plexiglas sheilds floor to ceiling?  Did the "enclosed office" have air conditioning on?

Unless the 2 shields went floor to ceiling and there is no air circulation in the "enclosed office",  air has to circulate somehow.

If one thinks about the normal type of Plexiglas shield with someone coming into an enclosed space, if you take that person and spray a good wiff of strong perfume from an atomizer every time that person takes a breath for the time they are in the office one certainly starts to understand that once something aerosolizes and starts to circulate in the air, it can go all kinds of places and continue to linger long after the person is gone.

That is exactly what virus particles that are airborne do.  So unless the woman was in an air locked space behind those shields there is no guarantee of any type that aerosolized particles did not become air borne and circulate in the air current in the "enclosed office" long after a person leaves the offices.  Those particles are certainly capable of reaching up and over a Plexiglas shield.  Just think of sitting back in an enclosed room and blowing bubbles.  Some sink, some float up, some float in erratic forms, some travel significant distances, etc.  And bubbles are exponentially larger than tiny little virus particles that become airborne, so they are more prone to circulating for much longer periods of time since they are not heavy.

People need to stop and think about what airborne circulation means.  Which is why in enclosed spaces or if bunched together outside, it is very possible to breathe someone else's air.  I do think the person here is well protected, but not to the point that anyone could say there is no way that something airborne could not possibly reach her.  

[FS74]

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@Drythe wrote:

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@Janey2 wrote:

How come Fauci was pictured last baseball season sitting outdoors with two other people who had masks on but his was around his neck? This outside mask wearing should have been stopped months ago. After seeing Fauci with no mask I listen to nothing he suggests. Follow your own common sense.

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@Janey2 

It was a video, not a picture. Guess you missed it. The group he was sitting with is his family, and in his ‘bubble’

No one else was near them.  He had been wearing his mask, they were sitting in the sun, he lowered his mask to take a swallow of his drink.  It is all right there in the video. Why say otherwise? Misrepresentation of facts contributes nothing.

Dr Fauci  is a National Treasure, he is a genius in Immunology.

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He might be a genius in Immunology, but he changes his mind every other day. I don't get it, he says you don't need a mask if you are fully vaccinated. Now I see him wearing 2 masks. Very confusing. 

[pitdakota]

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@FS74 wrote:

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@Drythe wrote:

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@Janey2 wrote:

How come Fauci was pictured last baseball season sitting outdoors with two other people who had masks on but his was around his neck? This outside mask wearing should have been stopped months ago. After seeing Fauci with no mask I listen to nothing he suggests. Follow your own common sense.

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@Janey2 

It was a video, not a picture. Guess you missed it. The group he was sitting with is his family, and in his ‘bubble’

No one else was near them.  He had been wearing his mask, they were sitting in the sun, he lowered his mask to take a swallow of his drink.  It is all right there in the video. Why say otherwise? Misrepresentation of facts contributes nothing.

Dr Fauci  is a National Treasure, he is a genius in Immunology.

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He might be a genius in Immunology, but he changes his mind every other day. I don't get it, he says you don't need a mask if you are fully vaccinated. Now I see him wearing 2 masks. Very confusing. 

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@FS74, it is not changing one's mind, it is following the data and the science.  So glad we have people that do that!!

I remember when I started working coronary care long ago, we didn't give any of our patients ice water or any beverages with ice because prevalent thinking of the day was that "cold" beverages would be too much of a shock to the heart.  Hysterical now, but that was the case back then and any coronary care nurse back in the day would remember that.

Patients weren't allowed to have TVs in their rooms either because what they might watch might "upset" them too much.

Move along to actually look at data and research and it was discovered it didn't bear out in research.  So practice changed and patients were able to get cold lemonade if they wanted it and now can watch TV.

Following science and changing guidance and practice, is a good thing.  

[FS74]

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He might be a genius in Immunology, but he changes his mind every other day. I don't get it, he says you don't need a mask if you are fully vaccinated. Now I see him wearing 2 masks. Very confusing. 

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@FS74, it is not changing one's mind, it is following the data and the science.  So glad we have people that do that!!

I remember when I started working coronary care long ago, we didn't give any of our patients ice water or any beverages with ice because prevalent thinking of the day was that "cold" beverages would be too much of a shock to the heart.  Hysterical now, but that was the case back then and any coronary care nurse back in the day would remember that.

Patients weren't allowed to have TVs in their rooms either because what they might watch might "upset" them too much.

Move along to actually look at data and research and it was discovered it didn't bear out in research.  So practice changed and patients were able to get cold lemonade if they wanted it and now can watch TV.

Following science and changing guidance and practice, is a good thing.  

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I understand that science changes almost daily. I work in a large hospital lab some things we used to do are no longer necessary and new protocols come at us without notice. I just don't get the 2 mask thing. 

I do remember the TVs not allowed, but never heard the cold drinks. 

[pitdakota]

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@FS74 wrote:

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He might be a genius in Immunology, but he changes his mind every other day. I don't get it, he says you don't need a mask if you are fully vaccinated. Now I see him wearing 2 masks. Very confusing. 

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@FS74, it is not changing one's mind, it is following the data and the science.  So glad we have people that do that!!

I remember when I started working coronary care long ago, we didn't give any of our patients ice water or any beverages with ice because prevalent thinking of the day was that "cold" beverages would be too much of a shock to the heart.  Hysterical now, but that was the case back then and any coronary care nurse back in the day would remember that.

Patients weren't allowed to have TVs in their rooms either because what they might watch might "upset" them too much.

Move along to actually look at data and research and it was discovered it didn't bear out in research.  So practice changed and patients were able to get cold lemonade if they wanted it and now can watch TV.

Following science and changing guidance and practice, is a good thing.  

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I understand that science changes almost daily. I work in a large hospital lab some things we used to do are no longer necessary and new protocols come at us without notice. I just don't get the 2 mask thing. 

I do remember the TVs not allowed, but never heard the cold drinks. 

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@FS74, it does change almost daily doesn't it?  Yes, patients admitted to CCU were not allowed to have ice water or any iced beverages.  lol   Of course, we also used to lavage the ET tube of patient's on ventilators with saline and then suction them.  It was standard practice to keep the ET tube clear for the ventilator to function and maintain good pulmonary hygiene for patients.  Then research identified it as a leading cause of ventilator acquired pneumonia.  Well that changed that practice, immediately!

Yes, there were a couple of things in research that hit at the same time.  In the US, they identified that asymptomatic transmission with SARS-CoV-2 was problematic.

Before that,  the thinking had been along the lines of when some has influenza or what happened with the SARS-CoV-1 pandemic in 2003.  The majority of people that are contagious are not out shopping, they are sink in bed.  Or if they are out, they are coughing, sneezing, etc. which gives the signals to others to reflexively stay away.  The research and data obtained in regard to people being contagious for days before displaying symptoms was alarming and then more data about people that had covid-19 but were totally asymptomatic.

Then research was conducted by multiple engineering programs across the county using laser spectrometry to demonstrate that respiratory particles were all but stopped with several layers of a fabric mask.  Who knew?  It didn't take a medical mask, several layers of fabric were demonstrating to be quite effective.

I posted the video of one of the laser spectrometry demonstrations published in Lancet back at that time when people were saying that fabric masks didn't work.

So those 2 data points together certainly led to a major change in guidance about wearing masks.  And rightfully so,  Given the information and data they had, it would have been unethical and immoral not to change guidance to better protect others. 

[Drythe]

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@Still Raining wrote:

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@haddon9 wrote:

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@Still Raining wrote:

The whole mask issue is actually only a proxy for the danger of mingling with non vaccined.

If some demand the right to not be vaccinated and/or wear a mask, the vaccinated need to demand the right to be shielded from them.  Fair is fair.

Remember the gas shortage?  What about odd and even days?  I would love to enter a store.

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@Still Raining Why assume that a non-vaccinated person is infected?  Yet a vaccinated person can still spread the virus to those who aren't vaccinated...yes fair is fair.

Anyway most seem to think that once they are fully vaccinated they are almost fully protected.  So why would they be afraid of those who aren't vaccinated?

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Each of us is free form our own opinions and act on them.

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@Still Raining 

A random look here on the boards shows that the majority who are vaccinated know that ‘Almost Fully Protected’ still leaves one open to whatever variant another person may carry.  

The vaccine does not offer full protection.  It’s common knowledge -Why do those who have gotten no vaccine STILL insist on saying that?

My choice, wear a mask, and stay clear of people I know are not taking precautions.

[pitdakota]

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@Drythe wrote:

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@Still Raining wrote:

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@haddon9 wrote:

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@Still Raining wrote:

The whole mask issue is actually only a proxy for the danger of mingling with non vaccined.

If some demand the right to not be vaccinated and/or wear a mask, the vaccinated need to demand the right to be shielded from them.  Fair is fair.

Remember the gas shortage?  What about odd and even days?  I would love to enter a store.

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@Still Raining Why assume that a non-vaccinated person is infected?  Yet a vaccinated person can still spread the virus to those who aren't vaccinated...yes fair is fair.

Anyway most seem to think that once they are fully vaccinated they are almost fully protected.  So why would they be afraid of those who aren't vaccinated?

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Each of us is free form our own opinions and act on them.

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@Still Raining 

A random look here on the boards shows that the majority who are vaccinated know that ‘Almost Fully Protected’ still leaves one open to whatever variant another person may carry.  

The vaccine does not offer full protection.  It’s common knowledge -Why do those who have gotten no vaccine STILL insist on saying that?

My choice, wear a mask, and stay clear of people I know are not taking precautions.

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@Drythe, exactly.  Although break through infections are rare as far as we know at this time, I don't want to be one that might have a break through infection and then unknowingly infect someone who isn't vaccinated.  I personally choose to not take that chance since that would weigh on me tremendously.  Besides, to me it is just that not big of a deal to wear a mask.  I am more than use to wearing a mask and practicing social distancing with those that aren't vaccinated just makes common sense to potentially protect both people.  

[Lipstickdiva]

From an interview with Dr. George Morris:

Once you get vaccinated, can you still transmit COVID to other people?

How likely are you to get it afterwards? That could be called those breakthrough infections, and we’ve seen a few people. It’s not zero. But at least what we’ve tracked here internally, and what I’ve seen at the statewide data is probably like .05%. So, maybe a few hundred people have had COVID, even after they’ve been fully vaccinated. And of those we haven’t seen that spread to all of their family members, all of their communities, everything else. We haven’t seen large outbreaks in those fully vaccinated populations.

It was also reported yesterday that new evidence by the CDC shows that fully vaccinated people do not transmit Covid.