Community Chat

[Mominohio]

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@stevieb wrote:

No food, no Kleenex, no toilet paper, no cleaning products, no masks... Instead of our leaders at all levels rattling on and on about the medical aspects of the situation, which clearly they, nor the supposed medical experts, have a clue how to contain or eliminate, some of them really should, by now, have turned their attention to the fact that the population needs food and essentials. Whenever I see someone waxing eloquent about this great land of ours, I feel compelled to point out that no aspect of this crisis has been or is being handled at all well and in fact, others have done a better job. When something 'unprecedented' happens, we require creative solutions and we're not seeing any. We've essentially been relegated to living in a 3rd world country.

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I don't disagree with much of this, but I do have to say, that it really is all about things starting at the individual level. 

We each have to take the responsibility to figure out ways to be prepared for things we expect to happen (like a hurricane if you live in Florida) and things that could happen but aren't normal, like this event. 

Then once people have the mindset of personal preparedness, that will transfer and grow into their professional life and their community life. 

Where were all the lower level government workers and elected officials not demanding more preparedness at their level before any of this? Where were the people working in the lower levels of health care not demanding better stocking of PPE? Where were all the retailers that knew the just in time supply chain was fragile?

Most truly successful endeavors start at the grass roots level, when the masses of any group know what they need/want, and work to secure it for themselves through their employer, union, elected officials etc. It's those in the trenches of any group, those doing the daily dirty work, that really know what is what, what they need, what they are lacking, what works and what doesn't, and they need to be more demanding from now on (whatever that takes), and be listened to from now on. 

With today's 24/7 media, with social media, people today can be more easily heard, can more easily call attention to needs or things lacking than ever before in history, and it needs to be happening with preparedness in every level of government and business and health care. 

[chickenbutt]

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

If the government isn't reponsible for overseeing all aspects of this crisis, then we shouldn't have a federal government. Of course, the states play a big part as well. Our governor has shined during this pandemic.

The last thing that I'm worried about right now is Big Brother taking over. I expect action, honest words, and follow-through -- oh, and clear, concise words that don't conflict with the next words that are spoken.

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Yeah, good luck with that. 

(I trust you aren't holding your breath)

[suzyQ3]

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@chickenbutt wrote:

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

If the government isn't reponsible for overseeing all aspects of this crisis, then we shouldn't have a federal government. Of course, the states play a big part as well. Our governor has shined during this pandemic.

The last thing that I'm worried about right now is Big Brother taking over. I expect action, honest words, and follow-through -- oh, and clear, concise words that don't conflict with the next words that are spoken.

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Yeah, good luck with that. 

(I trust you aren't holding your breath)

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@chickenbutt, still, I'm never going to ascribe to the idea that it's up the the individuals. As if I can magically make testing kits and ventilators available. 

[tansy]

Spot on, @Drythe!  

[suzyQ3]

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@Spurt wrote:

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

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@Moonlady wrote:
Anyone who looks to China for a model to which to compare our response, has lost all credibility.

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Well, @Moonlady, they just sent 1,00 ventilators to New York, and that is a credible statement.

The governor must be thrilled to finally get some response somewhere.

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Because the rest of the world was getting ready to pounce and see that they were punished and hold them responsible for not fully disclosing accurate information on what was happening....

Also look at the history ....they did away with 20,000 hospital beds and cut their healthcare to minimum levels ....doctors and nurses were already complaining that they didnt have the proper staffs or supplies to handle the routine medical situations---these huge cuts started back in 2016...way before the  pandemic .....maybe NY shouldnt have invested in failing ventures that cost 950 mill......Im concerned people in other parts of our country will suffer because of one areas poor planning and management....

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@Spurt, None of this takes away the fact that NY now has 1,000 more ventilators that were desperately needed.

[kaydee50]

@stevieb  As usual, well said.  Completely agree.  IMO the "experts" knew that something like this could happen.  And they appear as clueless as anybody.

Fortunately for us in Chicago, we have enough of everything and I still go to the supermarket and Trader Joe's and will not be wearing a mask which was originally discouraged but now is recommended????  Get real!

[Drythe]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

No food, no Kleenex, no toilet paper, no cleaning products, no masks... Instead of our leaders at all levels rattling on and on about the medical aspects of the situation, which clearly they, nor the supposed medical experts, have a clue how to contain or eliminate, some of them really should, by now, have turned their attention to the fact that the population needs food and essentials. Whenever I see someone waxing eloquent about this great land of ours, I feel compelled to point out that no aspect of this crisis has been or is being handled at all well and in fact, others have done a better job. When something 'unprecedented' happens, we require creative solutions and we're not seeing any. We've essentially been relegated to living in a 3rd world country.

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I don't disagree with much of this, but I do have to say, that it really is all about things starting at the individual level. 

We each have to take the responsibility to figure out ways to be prepared for things we expect to happen (like a hurricane if you live in Florida) and things that could happen but aren't normal, like this event. 

Then once people have the mindset of personal preparedness, that will transfer and grow into their professional life and their community life. 

Where were all the lower level government workers and elected officials not demanding more preparedness at their level before any of this? Where were the people working in the lower levels of health care not demanding better stocking of PPE? Where were all the retailers that knew the just in time supply chain was fragile?

Most truly successful endeavors start at the grass roots level, when the masses of any group know what they need/want, and work to secure it for themselves through their employer, union, elected officials etc. It's those in the trenches of any group, those doing the daily dirty work, that really know what is what, what they need, what they are lacking, what works and what doesn't, and they need to be more demanding from now on (whatever that takes), and be listened to from now on. 

With today's 24/7 media, with social media, people today can be more easily heard, can more easily call attention to needs or things lacking than ever before in history, and it needs to be happening with preparedness in every level of government and business and health care. 

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@Mominohio 

May I say, all well and good, in my home we stay prepared for 30 days of self reliance because of weather and other emergencies.  That said, the ‘individual mind’ is not in general equipped to ‘grow into’ preparedness for a Global Pandemic.   1/6/2017 Pentagon Preparedness Report.

[Drythe]

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@MorningLover wrote:

tansy wrote:

suzyQ3 wrote:

moonlady wrote:
Anyone who looks to China for a model to which to compare our response, has lost all credibility.

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Well, moonlady, they just sent 1,00 ventilators to New York, and that is a credible statement.

The governor must be thrilled to finally get some response somewhere.

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And, hopefully, the Chinese ventilators were not delivered broken and had been maintained.

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Hopefully, I read about  Chinese masks exported to other countries were defective.

Dutch government recalled 600,000 of the Chinese manufactured face masks for being defective and not meeting safety standards — over half of the 1.3 million total N-95 protective masks that were delivered to the Netherlands. Hospitals in the country were requested to return the masks that did not properly fit on faces and prevent COVID-19 virus particles from making human contact.

"When they were delivered to our hospital, I immediately rejected those masks," one hospital employee reportedly said to Dutch broadcaster. "If those masks do not close properly, the virus particles can simply pass. We do not use them."

Other countries have expressed concern with medical equipment manufactured in China. After purchasing 340,000 test kits from a Chinese manufacturer, Spain's government claimed that 60,000 of them did not accurately test for COVID-19.

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@MorningLover 

I am very curious to follow up on this, could you please share where you found it.

[Mominohio]

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@Drythe wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

No food, no Kleenex, no toilet paper, no cleaning products, no masks... Instead of our leaders at all levels rattling on and on about the medical aspects of the situation, which clearly they, nor the supposed medical experts, have a clue how to contain or eliminate, some of them really should, by now, have turned their attention to the fact that the population needs food and essentials. Whenever I see someone waxing eloquent about this great land of ours, I feel compelled to point out that no aspect of this crisis has been or is being handled at all well and in fact, others have done a better job. When something 'unprecedented' happens, we require creative solutions and we're not seeing any. We've essentially been relegated to living in a 3rd world country.

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I don't disagree with much of this, but I do have to say, that it really is all about things starting at the individual level. 

We each have to take the responsibility to figure out ways to be prepared for things we expect to happen (like a hurricane if you live in Florida) and things that could happen but aren't normal, like this event. 

Then once people have the mindset of personal preparedness, that will transfer and grow into their professional life and their community life. 

Where were all the lower level government workers and elected officials not demanding more preparedness at their level before any of this? Where were the people working in the lower levels of health care not demanding better stocking of PPE? Where were all the retailers that knew the just in time supply chain was fragile?

Most truly successful endeavors start at the grass roots level, when the masses of any group know what they need/want, and work to secure it for themselves through their employer, union, elected officials etc. It's those in the trenches of any group, those doing the daily dirty work, that really know what is what, what they need, what they are lacking, what works and what doesn't, and they need to be more demanding from now on (whatever that takes), and be listened to from now on. 

With today's 24/7 media, with social media, people today can be more easily heard, can more easily call attention to needs or things lacking than ever before in history, and it needs to be happening with preparedness in every level of government and business and health care. 

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@Mominohio 

May I say, all well and good, in my home we stay prepared for 30 days of self reliance because of weather and other emergencies.  That said, the ‘individual mind’ is not in general equipped to ‘grow into’ preparedness for a Global Pandemic.   1/6/2017 Pentagon Preparedness Report.

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I have to disagree with that. 

If the majority of people in any organization are like minded (as in if most people get into the prepared mindset in their own private lives and affairs), it becomes a standard by which they live, and that should transfer into the way they conduct their professional lives, and how they see the level of preparedness in their business, field, workplace etc. 

I think instead of looking to the 'top' of the government, business, organization to prepare for us, we need to bring to those above us what we need, expect, then hold them accountable to achieve it at all levels. When all else fails, take it public about the lack of preparation to compel action.

Because in the end, who is really left holding the bag, coming up without what they need? Those in the rank and file. Nobody is going to look out for your needs better than you are.

[Drythe]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Drythe wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

No food, no Kleenex, no toilet paper, no cleaning products, no masks... Instead of our leaders at all levels rattling on and on about the medical aspects of the situation, which clearly they, nor the supposed medical experts, have a clue how to contain or eliminate, some of them really should, by now, have turned their attention to the fact that the population needs food and essentials. Whenever I see someone waxing eloquent about this great land of ours, I feel compelled to point out that no aspect of this crisis has been or is being handled at all well and in fact, others have done a better job. When something 'unprecedented' happens, we require creative solutions and we're not seeing any. We've essentially been relegated to living in a 3rd world country.

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I don't disagree with much of this, but I do have to say, that it really is all about things starting at the individual level. 

We each have to take the responsibility to figure out ways to be prepared for things we expect to happen (like a hurricane if you live in Florida) and things that could happen but aren't normal, like this event. 

Then once people have the mindset of personal preparedness, that will transfer and grow into their professional life and their community life. 

Where were all the lower level government workers and elected officials not demanding more preparedness at their level before any of this? Where were the people working in the lower levels of health care not demanding better stocking of PPE? Where were all the retailers that knew the just in time supply chain was fragile?

Most truly successful endeavors start at the grass roots level, when the masses of any group know what they need/want, and work to secure it for themselves through their employer, union, elected officials etc. It's those in the trenches of any group, those doing the daily dirty work, that really know what is what, what they need, what they are lacking, what works and what doesn't, and they need to be more demanding from now on (whatever that takes), and be listened to from now on. 

With today's 24/7 media, with social media, people today can be more easily heard, can more easily call attention to needs or things lacking than ever before in history, and it needs to be happening with preparedness in every level of government and business and health care. 

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@Mominohio 

May I say, all well and good, in my home we stay prepared for 30 days of self reliance because of weather and other emergencies.  That said, the ‘individual mind’ is not in general equipped to ‘grow into’ preparedness for a Global Pandemic.   1/6/2017 Pentagon Preparedness Report.

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I have to disagree with that. 

If the majority of people in any organization are like minded (as in if most people get into the prepared mindset in their own private lives and affairs), it becomes a standard by which they live, and that should transfer into the way they conduct their professional lives, and how they see the level of preparedness in their business, field, workplace etc. 

I think instead of looking to the 'top' of the government, business, organization to prepare for us, we need to bring to those above us what we need, expect, then hold them accountable to achieve it at all levels. When all else fails, take it public about the lack of preparation to compel action.

Because in the end, who is really left holding the bag, coming up without what they need? Those in the rank and file. Nobody is going to look out for your needs better than you are.

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@Mominohio 

I believe those whom WE’VE  ALREADY charged to receive advanced World information about Global Health have The Duty to Inform, Plan for, Warn, and Provide Updated Guidance to the Nation, as provided in the 1/6/2017 Pentagon Prepardness Report. The responsibility for this, and advance information regarding it ALREADY reside with our TOP government. We  Should have for our use a Unified National Health Response / Medical Supply Disbursement Plan, Staff, and Policy which is SUPPOSED to be already in PLACE.  

I think we can agree that we come at this from very different views.  

I’m not advocating BIGer government, Nor releasing Idividual responsibility.  However, I do STRONGLY insist that the government we already have SHOULD be held to carrying out the responsibilities with which it WAS and still IS charged.  I’m not speaking of Toilet Paper, I’m speaking of Respirators, Hospital Beds, N95 masks not being made in America, Advanced information about Global Health Outbreaks, Medical, and Vaccination testing, and preparation, and supply chain distribution.