My simple solution re: traffic stops... - Page 15

Cakers1 · ‎03-09-2010

On 4/11/2015 scotttie said:
On 4/11/2015 Cakers1 said:
Watching the whole video this officer was polite during the conversation. Why it had to go so terribly wrong is beyond comprehension. It just didn't make sense; he was reasonable and professional then all of a sudden he's shooting at a person running away.

It just didn't make any sense to me why he took that action.

That's what is so puzzling. The guy was running away. There are very few scenarios where shooting someone in the back would make sense.

This guy's problem legally now is that he lied about what happened (his report was disproved by the video). Any exaplanation he comes up with now will have trouble being believed.

And despite what people think- it isn't easy to shoot somebody in the leg when they are running away; too many TV inaccurate shows.

I just don't understand why this officer didn't just go back to his car and radio in the situation.

What a horrible situation.

terrier3 · ‎03-10-2010

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:
That may well have happened, but I'd not convict the cop yet, as no one has the right to do that either, just the jury and the legal process. We are all assuming that he 'staged the death scene. At this point even the videos aren't telling the whole story, and those stringing the cop up before his due process are just as bad as he is for what he did.

Just as bad as he is?

I don't think so. The local DA is bringing him up on murder charges. His own lawyer quit.

He shot an INNOCENT man in the back numerous times...then tried to plant "evidence" next to the man...then refused to help him and watched him die (and lied about not helping him on his official report.)

It's not an assumption to say he "staged the scene." He went over to the helpless dying (or dead) man, cuffed him, then went back, got the taser and threw it next to the body. I know what I saw...it was totally clear.

Why are you defending this monster?

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

On 4/10/2015 RainCityGirl said:
On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:
On 4/10/2015 SydneyH said:
On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:
Shaming and demanding personal responsibility for one's actions are not the same. The victim mentality in this nation is out of control, and sometimes things end badly because of it.

Respectfully, the onus for 'personal responsibility' lies completely with his MURDERER, sorry.....

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

You could then say the same thing about the officer. He had several choices for handling this traffic stop. He chose to pump eight bullets at the man. Now HE is getting the consequences. Period.

I've already said that RainCityGirl. I seem to be the only one here that realizes both sides, at least at this stage of the investigation, did wrong. The rest of you just want to boo hoo another 'innocent' victim, and ride the 'cops are out of control' bandwagon. I have never even offered up what percentage of responsibility I think each person involved in this incident carries, but I have stated, that unequivocally, the man who is now dead, bears at least some.

Both sides in the Trayvon Martin incident bore responsibility in the way that situation ended as well. Rarely are these big and high profile cases a 100% to 0% split in responsibility of outcome.

terrier3 · ‎03-10-2010

On 4/11/2015 Qwackertoo said:
It is sorta like the ""driving while stupid"" when teens or even adults text and drive and get themselves killed or others also killed in the process. That one little text that probably was insignificant and could have waited may have cost themselves and other innocent people their lives.

Or college girls who drink to excess ""drinking while stupid"" and get themselves killed in the process. Too many turn up missing and their remains are found weeks & months later.

And in this case ""running from the police while stupid"" . . . NO the policeman should NOT have shot him while posing no great threat to himself or the public. But he did. And the man is now dead. And the policeman's life is pretty much over as a free man.

I think that is sorta maybe what mominohio is getting at. Maybe.

Running from the police should NEVER lead to being shot in the back.

Never.

That breaks every rule from every police department in the USA. Which is why he needed to ""plant"" the taser next to the body - to cover up what he did.

The policeman's life isn't over - but his victim's life IS.

No sympathy from me for what he did.

Lila Belle · ‎01-24-2013

Slager's own dept and LE all over the country have condemned his actions.

That says a lot.

Will he walk ? I don't know.

Qwackertoo · ‎03-11-2010

On 4/11/2015 terrier3 said:
On 4/11/2015 Qwackertoo said:
It is sorta like the ""driving while stupid"" when teens or even adults text and drive and get themselves killed or others also killed in the process. That one little text that probably was insignificant and could have waited may have cost themselves and other innocent people their lives.

Or college girls who drink to excess ""drinking while stupid"" and get themselves killed in the process. Too many turn up missing and their remains are found weeks & months later.

And in this case ""running from the police while stupid"" . . . NO the policeman should NOT have shot him while posing no great threat to himself or the public. But he did. And the man is now dead. And the policeman's life is pretty much over as a free man.

I think that is sorta maybe what mominohio is getting at. Maybe.

Running from the police should NEVER lead to being shot in the back.

Never.

That breaks every rule from every police department in the USA. Which is why he needed to ""plant"" the taser next to the body - to cover up what he did.

The policeman's life isn't over - but his victim's life IS.

No sympathy from me for what he did.

Actually you are wrong. The Supreme Court has ruled that it is allowed in certain instances.

This although was NOT one of them.m

Cakers1 · ‎03-09-2010

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:

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I've already said that RainCityGirl. I seem to be the only one here that realizes both sides, at least at this stage of the investigation, did wrong. The rest of you just want to boo hoo another 'innocent' victim, and ride the 'cops are out of control' bandwagon. I have never even offered up what percentage of responsibility I think each person involved in this incident carries, but I have stated, that unequivocally, the man who is now dead, bears at least some.

Both sides in the Trayvon Martin incident bore responsibility in the way that situation ended as well. Rarely are these big and high profile cases a 100% to 0% split in responsibility of outcome.

Whoa - I don't know about other posters but I certainly don't believe that cops are out of control. As tragic as this incident is, I don't believe it is the norm. It is covered that way by the media over and over and over again.

As far as the man being an "innocent victim" - he IS a victim. He was shot in the back. It doesn't matter that he ran; who knows what anybody would do - he obviously started to panic at the thought of his outstanding charge being discovered.

It's not like he was wanted for murder!

Yes, most of us realize that when stopped, do as you are expected to do; remain in the car, hands on the wheel, answer the questions, and take responsibility for your part as a citizen.

But running away did not justify the actions of this officer; the professional thing to do would have been to radio in the situation.

Qwackertoo · ‎03-11-2010

On 4/11/2015 terrier3 said:
On 4/11/2015 Qwackertoo said:
It is sorta like the ""driving while stupid"" when teens or even adults text and drive and get themselves killed or others also killed in the process. That one little text that probably was insignificant and could have waited may have cost themselves and other innocent people their lives.

Or college girls who drink to excess ""drinking while stupid"" and get themselves killed in the process. Too many turn up missing and their remains are found weeks & months later.

And in this case ""running from the police while stupid"" . . . NO the policeman should NOT have shot him while posing no great threat to himself or the public. But he did. And the man is now dead. And the policeman's life is pretty much over as a free man.

I think that is sorta maybe what mominohio is getting at. Maybe.

Running from the police should NEVER lead to being shot in the back.

Never.

That breaks every rule from every police department in the USA. Which is why he needed to ""plant"" the taser next to the body - to cover up what he did.

The policeman's life isn't over - but his victim's life IS.

No sympathy from me for what he did.

Read the rest of my sentence. As A Free Man.

terrier3 · ‎03-10-2010

On 4/11/2015 Lila Belle said:
Slager's own dept and LE all over the country have condemned his actions.

That says a lot.

Will he walk ? I don't know.

I wonder how many similar cases have been covered up, due to lack of videos?

I know that even though it is ILLEGAL, cops often confiscate and delete videos from people who have viewed arrests.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

On 4/10/2015 Plaid Pants said:
So it was the victim's own fault that he was killed. The victim has no one to blame except himself for having been shot.

Now, I think I have heard everything.

Just because one has outstanding warrants against them, does not mean that they should be shot in the back as they try to flee the scene.

What that officer did is indefensible.

There is NO justification for what he did.

None.

And for anyone to think that there is, just boggles the mind.

If this is directed at me, then show me where I stated it was his total fault he is dead. I did not. From the beginning I have said, he shares in the responsibility of the events that took place, and he initiated them. He exacerbated them by running, and not following the directions of the officer.

So sorry that it didn't work out for him, and it happens like that everyday in all kinds of situations not related to law enforcement. Life isn't fair, and even though we didn't do enough wrong to justify it, we get hit with things in a way bigger proportion than is fair for our input into the situation. Makes you think, that maybe we should think before we do, and just plain stand up, when we know we're busted, take responsibility for where we are with the situation, and not make it worse.

Even the man's own father said he thinks he ran because he didn't want to go to jail, he'd been there and didn't want to go back. Let's see, go to jail, or risk, in light of what is going on with these situations, make a move that could lead to death?

Nope, he didn't have long to assess the situation, try to decide how to proceed, or what the long term consequences might be with every available option. Neither did the cop.