Re: Murder on Rust Movie Set

teganslaw · ‎03-11-2010

I wonder why it took almost a year to complete the investigation. Wasn't there any cooperation from those involved? It seems like it should have taken half that time.

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occasionalrain · ‎03-10-2010

Alec will hire an expert who will test the gun and disclaim the FBI's finding. I don't believe Alec pulled the trigger, why would he? This is an attempt to spread blame and minimize liability. The fault is with the armor and the one who handed Alec the gun, said it wasn't loaded without checking it. The fact that no ammunition was supposed to be on set, but was, is on the armor who was responsible for weaponry.

golding76 · ‎05-19-2012

I recall reading that the gun was lying unattended on a cart for a period of time. That had to be a breach of protocol for protecting personnel on set.

My thought as to why some have difficulty dropping Alec Baldwin from the blame seat is that he pointed the gun at someone and fired away. However, did it not also come out that he was asked to do that for verisimilitude or something? I do not remember this exactly, but I thought the victim herself, according to Alex, requested that he handle the gun as he did.

Personally, I would never point a gun at someone and fire it unless I intended to kill that person. Why? Because anything could go wrong. At what point, I wonder, is an armorer no longer responsible for the safety of a firearm on set. If Alec was not asked to do the gun maneuver I referenced in the previous paragraph, then he will have some responsibility for the death. Not all, but some.

If it is the armorer's responsibility to assure that the firearms are safe, Alec Baldwin cannot be faulted other than being reckless. These are random thoughts; I do not know the law.

hckynutjohn · ‎06-15-2015

In my view, there is media coverage, and then there are the facts. One is seldom the same as the other.

Having sat on 9 Jury Panels, even the facts presented are seen differently by jurists on the same panel. With media? You only know what they tell you, and many times it is more opinion, than actual facts.

I am far from a Baldwin fan, but I want to see all the facts, not just concluding with he pulled the trigger. Even Baldwin himself changed his story. He originally said he did, and in a later TV interview he said: "it just went off, he did not pull the trigger.

I know nothing about movie sets and who is responsible for what. What I do know is the proper way to handle all hand guns, regardless of who hands it to me, or what state it was in the last time I held it.

Never trust, and always verify it's safety, and before you ever put your finger in the trigger housing. To do otherwise is not the proper way to handle any hand gun. The criminal trial, which I assume @Kachina624 is pointing out, will surely be followed by probably several Civil Trials.

It is sad that a life was lost and another person was injured. I will read and listen to the media, but only use their information as a guide, not to lead me to any conclusion. I will wait till the final verdicts are in, and go from there, after hopefully seeing the facts.

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On It · ‎03-15-2021

I may be confused. I thought the gun was supposed to have been loaded with blanks. Instead, live rounds found their way into the gun. The whole premise of blanks is that a gun can be pointed at someone and shot to make a realistic scene in a film. Whoever put the live ammunition in the gun is the responsible party.

The horror is in the lady's death.

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

I assume one can tell the difference between blanks and live ammunition. I don't know.

But I do know that if handed a gun, the correct thing to do is verify what is in the gun. Or not in the gun.

hckynutjohn · ‎06-15-2015

@On It wrote:
I may be confused. I thought the gun was supposed to have been loaded with blanks. Instead, live rounds found their way into the gun. The whole premise of blanks is that a gun can be pointed at someone and shot to make a realistic scene in a film. Whoever put the live ammunition in the gun is the responsible party.
The horror is in the lady's death.

@On It

I can't address your confusion over blanks versus live rounds being loaded into that specific gun. I can however address your comment of "premise of blanks is that a gun can be pointed at someone"!

No gun should ever be pointed at someone, unless! The purpose is to actively shoot them. That is part of knowing about gun safety, and how and when you do what with any gun.

Unless your intention is to shoot something, or someone, your finger should never be in the trigger Housing. And it should never ever be pointed at anyone or anything.

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Pearlee · ‎06-11-2011

@qvcfreak wrote:
@Porcelain I would think Involuntary manslaughter or negligence homicide. I don’t think murder since it wasn’t premeditated. Unless there’s something else.

@qvcfreak Murder needn't be premeditated.

That's usually 1st degree murder but there are other actions that can constitute murder.

Pearlee · ‎06-11-2011

@Katcat1 wrote:
Alec better cool his temper before he gets himself locked up. He has 6 or 7 children to care for. May the woman that was murdered rest in peace (I apologize for not remembering her name) but she was taken too soon.

@Katcat1 Just look a few posts above yours for her name.