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[hyacinth003]

On 4/14/2014 stilltamn8r said:

On 4/14/2014 hyacinth003 said:

On 4/14/2014 croemer said:

Difference is she has enough money that she can work, play, travel etc. while having a child whether they last or not.

I agree with that.

But, it doesn't make the father be in the picture.

Yes, I can hear it - even if they marry he can still be a bad father. True, but being a husband takes more thought than a live-in or guy with benefits!!

Hyacinth

That may be true in your experience, but It is not neccesarily so- The "Live in" guy stays because he WANTS to, not because he HAS to- same thing with parenting...

I've heard this one before.

"We don't need a piece of paper to show we're in love." "He'll be a great father even if we don't marry." Think this started around the late 60's!!

When the going gets tough, either with marriage, parenting, or both, being married makes you think a lot more about copping out!

Hyacinth

[NoelSeven]

Hyacinth, why are you assuming they won't marry?

She's also got $30 million already, which sounds like she can afford to take care of all three of them, if necessary.

[NoelSeven]

On 4/14/2014 chickenbutt said:

Oh wow. I need to see Black Swan. I kind of had it on my mental list of movies I wanted to see, then I forgot about it. d'oh!

Hi CB!

It's the weirdest thing! It wouldn't let me post the creds because it said the missing word to follow: W _ _ _ _ _ Witch of the East was censorable. I read that thing over and over and couldn't find it anywhere in the text.

Anyway, that's why I broke it up... to see if I could find where it was. It wasn't.

What a word to censor!

[stilltamn8r]

On 4/14/2014 hyacinth003 said:

On 4/14/2014 stilltamn8r said:

On 4/14/2014 hyacinth003 said:

On 4/14/2014 croemer said:

Difference is she has enough money that she can work, play, travel etc. while having a child whether they last or not.

I agree with that.

But, it doesn't make the father be in the picture.

Yes, I can hear it - even if they marry he can still be a bad father. True, but being a husband takes more thought than a live-in or guy with benefits!!

Hyacinth

That may be true in your experience, but It is not neccesarily so- The "Live in" guy stays because he WANTS to, not because he HAS to- same thing with parenting...

I've heard this one before.

"We don't need a piece of paper to show we're in love." "He'll be a great father even if we don't marry." Think this started around the late 60's!!

When the going gets tough, either with marriage, parenting, or both, being married makes you think a lot more about copping out!

Hyacinth

I don't think you can predict what will happen with this couple based on your ideas from the 1960's- that "piece of paper" never KEPT anyone married who didn't WANT to be..

And it DEFINITELY does NOT make a man a better father, any more than a diploma made the Scarecrow a genius...

[colliemom4]

I saw her in Black Swan. I don't know much about her but find her eyes creepy.

[hyacinth003]

On 4/14/2014 NoelSeven said:

Hyacinth, why are you assuming they won't marry?

She's also got $30 million already, which sounds like she can afford to take care of all three of them, if necessary.

I don't know if they will marry or not.

Money is the least of the issues I am referring to, although for those of us NOT rich, it certainly does make a difference.

I think either the marriage takes place FIRST or get married NOW. If you are willing to be that intimate with someone, why not marry them?

I am kind of just using them as an overall example of a trend.

Hyacinth

[croemer]

I think he will be a good father...from what I have read he has always wanted children. Not sure what that meant with Demi though? He has plenty of money...she has plenty of money. They are engaged...so I am assuming they will marry and either way he will have to pay...a large sum towards child support.

Maybe this is more about your belief couples should marry before getting pregnant and you certainly have a right to your belief.

[NoelSeven]

On 4/14/2014 hyacinth003 said:

On 4/14/2014 NoelSeven said:

Hyacinth, why are you assuming they won't marry?

She's also got $30 million already, which sounds like she can afford to take care of all three of them, if necessary.

I don't know if they will marry or not.

Money is the least of the issues I am referring to, although for those of us NOT rich, it certainly does make a difference.

I think either the marriage takes place FIRST or get married NOW. If you are willing to be that intimate with someone, why not marry them?

I am kind of just using them as an overall example of a trend.

Hyacinth

People don't marry for a lot of reasons, including the legal entanglement and the cost of divorce.

Marriage stats in America are way down in past years, and studies show it's usually the choice of the female.

[croemer]

Maybe Hy is of a religion... marriage before having a child...if so she has a right to that belief.

[hyacinth003]

On 4/14/2014 stilltamn8r said:

On 4/14/2014 hyacinth003 said:

On 4/14/2014 stilltamn8r said:

On 4/14/2014 hyacinth003 said:

On 4/14/2014 croemer said:

Difference is she has enough money that she can work, play, travel etc. while having a child whether they last or not.

I agree with that.

But, it doesn't make the father be in the picture.

Yes, I can hear it - even if they marry he can still be a bad father. True, but being a husband takes more thought than a live-in or guy with benefits!!

Hyacinth

That may be true in your experience, but It is not neccesarily so- The "Live in" guy stays because he WANTS to, not because he HAS to- same thing with parenting...

I've heard this one before.

"We don't need a piece of paper to show we're in love." "He'll be a great father even if we don't marry." Think this started around the late 60's!!

When the going gets tough, either with marriage, parenting, or both, being married makes you think a lot more about copping out!

Hyacinth

I don't think you can predict what will happen with this couple based on your ideas from the 1960's- that "piece of paper" never KEPT anyone married who didn't WANT to be..

And it DEFINITELY does NOT make a man a better father, any more than a diploma made the Scarecrow a genius...

It's not my ideas of the 1960's. It started going around about then that marriage was just a "piece of paper" that wasn't needed.

Most of us who are married have had really tough times in the marriage. BUT, the commitment made (legally) makes you think a lot harder about walking out.

Hyacinth