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08-04-2017 05:56 AM
Sentence is a slap on the wrist. A life is worth more tnan 2 1/2 years. His mental condition was a problem. She enable whatever mental condition he had. She should've gotten at least 10 years.
08-04-2017 06:18 AM
@Cats3000 wrote:Sentence is a slap on the wrist. A life is worth more tnan 2 1/2 years. His mental condition was a problem. She enable whatever mental condition he had. She should've gotten at least 10 years.
ITA. She should of at least gone straight in.
08-04-2017 06:41 AM
@Cakers3 wrote:I was not surprised at any of this: the guilty verdict, the sentence, and the stay of her sentence.
I also believe that this conviction will be overturned on appeal. I wouldn't agree with it but I believe her lawyer made some very strong points and I also believe the judge did get it right.
My guess is even if she's found guilty, she won't even serve 15 months. With this and all the cases of kids committing suicide bc being bullied on social media, cyber laws need to be addressed and sooner rather than later!
08-04-2017 09:29 AM
@Ms tyrion2 wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@Cakers3 wrote:
@ECBG wrote:The law has always leaned to the "innocent". Unfortulately, some of the other gets through the gates. That's "humanity".
I'm praying for all in the case having taught. Something has gone wrong somewhere and this is the end result of years of disfunctionalism.
@ECBGWould you have it any other way?
@Cakers3, you took the words right out of my mouth. Thank goodness we have a system that presumes one is innocent until proved otherwise. It's a hallmark of a civilized system.
...and @suzyQ3, you took the words right out of my mouth.
Every American should understand "innocent until proven guilty"
She was found guilty by a judge in a bench trial
Do you think no one shoud serve their sentences until AFTER the appeals process???
08-04-2017 11:27 AM
@JobGirl wrote:
@Ms tyrion2 wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@Cakers3 wrote:
@ECBG wrote:The law has always leaned to the "innocent". Unfortulately, some of the other gets through the gates. That's "humanity".
I'm praying for all in the case having taught. Something has gone wrong somewhere and this is the end result of years of disfunctionalism.
@ECBGWould you have it any other way?
@Cakers3, you took the words right out of my mouth. Thank goodness we have a system that presumes one is innocent until proved otherwise. It's a hallmark of a civilized system.
...and @suzyQ3, you took the words right out of my mouth.
Every American should understand "innocent until proven guilty"
She was found guilty by a judge in a bench trial
Do you think no one shoud serve their sentences until AFTER the appeals process???
@JobGirl We know this-ECBG is referring in general to the system catering to innocent before guilty. That is why I asked her if she would have it any other way and suzyQ3 agreed.
I think ECBG didn't say what she meant in a clear manner.
08-04-2017 12:06 PM
I actually thought this was a fair decision.
It kind of harkens back to the old if your friends jumped off a bridge, would you? I think there is dual responsibility and consequences here on both teenagers' parts. Unfortunately, his consequence is permanent but frankly so is hers.
I don't know how much of a life she'll have even outside of a jail. The thing about today's world is everyone and anyone will know exactly who she is and what she did with one Google search.
Unless she plans to be self-employed or finds someone to take care of her, she has that life sentence some people want. And at least we won't be the ones paying for her bed and three meals a day. Since confines are limited, I'm good with her cell being reserved for a higher criminal mind.
08-04-2017 12:29 PM
Carter is mentally unstable herself.
I'm not for or against her sentence but this man was not her boyfriend. They had only met twice in person in the past few years.
She sufferered from bulimia, anorexia and depression herself. Was her text more likely an assisted suicide? She knows the pain of depression, she knew his pain.
I'm not defending her, a young man is dead by his own hands. Maybe his parents or others around him share in the blame, if there is any blame to be had.
Like other posters mentioned, this could be a slippery slope. Unless you know the underlying circumstances, any text can be misinterpreted or misjudged. She needs more than jail time, she needs help as well.
08-04-2017 01:08 PM
@Laura14 Michelle C is planning to become a Realtor.
Conrad was her boyfriend although the relationship was mostly by text. thousands of txts not just hi whats up. they both talked of suicide and she may have been influenced by the Netflix show 13 Reasons Why.
yes Conrad was depressed but she disregaded a moral duty to save his life. its just a punch in the face to the kid's family for her to get off with a slap on the wrist.
odds are she won't serve any time at all and/or the case will be overturned on appeal. her right to free speech was imperiled (ACLU) and because MA has no law i place re: assisted suicide.
she will have plenty of time to study for the real estate exam
08-04-2017 01:19 PM
@CatsyCline I'd love to know the broker who will hire her. She better have a friend or also go for her brokerage license. She's gonna have a tough go plastering her face all over the place trying to sell houses and I don't think many people would hire her to represent their home.
And I respectfully just don't agree with the morality argument. Everyone has a different compass and I don't like to see any one version forced as a punishment on someone else. To me, that is a scarier slope to slip down althought I completely get the argument.
Legislating people into being better humans just doesn't work. If it did, no one would commit a crime.
08-04-2017 01:41 PM - edited 08-04-2017 02:16 PM
@Laura14 personally i would fee a moral obligation
not saying morality should become legislation. the fact that she could have alerted his parents, other friends that he had the CO2 source and was ready to go with it - was mentioned during the trial by several including the judge. the judge said she could have instructed him to stay out of the truck once he got out, but told him to "F'ing" get back in that truck.
she was texting to friends wondering where he was - saying she had not seen hime for a few days- at the same time or even shortly before he was dying in his truck.
**maybe she and her parents will move to another state.
**ETA: she cannot leave the Commonwealth without permission by the court. maybe the parents can. either way it would be after the Appeals and sentencing if upheld
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