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[Cakers1]

Jules: WADR? You asked a questions as to what others would have done. I'm not saying that every response was supportive, but you should know by now that things will roll that way around here.

As far as the whining over "my post was attacked" - this isn't about them but about a poster who faced a situation at work and asked for opinions. If one feels their post was "attacked", one should remember that when they themselves go after another person.

Everyone is a saint among all the other sinners.

[KittyLouSoutenu]

On 3/12/2015 Cakers1 said:

Jules: WADR? You asked a questions as to what others would have done. I'm not saying that every response was supportive, but you should know by now that things will roll that way around here.

As far as the whining over "my post was attacked" - this isn't about them but about a poster who faced a situation at work and asked for opinions. If one feels their post was "attacked", one should remember that when they themselves go after another person.

Everyone is a saint among all the other sinners.

Amen to that.

[CouponQueen]

Oh my goodness. My post was not an attack on anybody..nor did I tell anybody off. I was responding to the comments in a nice manner or so I thought???? I am a bit shocked. I guess the typed word doesn't convey tone. I think this is one of the cases where people respond who the OP is and not the topic..I don't know history etc..I was responding to the topic and not basing my response on the type of year the OP had. That isn't fair to her - she was asking honestly about the situation and looking for feedback.

I just read a lot of the replies and I stand by my initial post. I think she reacted to the situation and now is reflecting on it..and what could of been done different etc.

I am going to guess that she is new to this field, just by the comments on real estate in the past, I don't think many agencies really prepare you for the reality of this world. You are basically walking into a strangers home and offering home care, personal care, cooking/cleaning etc. You are putting yourself in a dangerous positon often and unfortunately the salary doesn't reflect that either. Considering how much it would cost to maintain somebody in the hospital or nursing home you would think the insurance company alone would pay a decent rate as it sure is better then the alternative level of care per day.

I think by now she is aware now that she shouldn't bring the dog to work, buy cakes for others, sit on the bed..and scream at them when upset. If anything with the various points of view - I am sure she has been educated more on this thread then the agency ever did lol!

I also blame the Agency. I know of a few myself..they can't keep help (and nothing to do wtih OP)..it is what it is in our area. They are always looking for staff. They pay not well..and the hours are not full-time which many want, no benefits etc. Many use it as a buffer job til the real one comes along. That said, that makes many new to this field, work and they don't have the experience to handle and deal with the situations like this.

The agency should make sure there is a working phone that she has access to. They obviously cared so much they didn't call her back - I was not shocked at that one. I know it was a traumatic experience to her but I didn't think the Supervisor would be all that upset and I don't think they will drop that Client either, they will send another person out and I bet they may mention in passing..that he may be inappropriate but nothing more.

[VioletEyes]

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[PIT-HAG Melissa]

On 3/12/2015 Cakers1 said:

Jules: WADR? You asked a questions as to what others would have done. I'm not saying that every response was supportive, but you should know by now that things will roll that way around here.

As far as the whining over "my post was attacked" - this isn't about them but about a poster who faced a situation at work and asked for opinions. If one feels their post was "attacked", one should remember that when they themselves go after another person.

Everyone is a saint among all the other sinners.

EXACTLY and unfortunately when O.P's see responses they don't like they automatically get defensive even if the poster simply states they disagree...

It's a slippery slope to ask for opinions so DON'T unless you are prepared for all types of comments...

[CouponQueen]

As for the dog..some are great as Therapy Dogs..but they are vetted and handlers are trained etc. While intentions are good bringing your animal to somebody's home is a huge no-no..especially a ""client..""

Again as for the Agency I don't think much of them. They didn't even make sure there was a Phone for their Aid's to use in case of an emergency. Plus you can't rely on somebody else's cell phone. If the screen is locked you have no way of gaining access to the phone. Or if you are not familiar with the way they work etc. The Supervisor didn't even bother to call her back speaks volumes about them.

A lot of variables here. I do believe hind site is 20/20 and after this discussion the OP has learned from this experience. Being new to this type of field/work also comes into play here.

I think those that are patting her on the back and placating her are not doing her any good..saying stuff like she brought her dog and a cake because Leroy reminded her of her father. Say what!? You are enabling and making excuses and while your intent may be to help the OP out to feel better. Placating her with that stuff is not good. She wanted opinions as otherwise she wouldn't of asked.

She knows that if she had to do over the situation she woujld choose to do differently. If she didn't think that she wouldn't of posted and asked that. You take time to think and process the situation - then ask for feedback ..

[nun ya]

On 3/12/2015 Alley Catvocate said:

EXACTLY and unfortunately when O.P's see responses they don't like they automatically get defensive even if the poster simply states they disagree...

It's a slippery slope to ask for opinions so DON'T unless you are prepared for all types of comments...

best post on the whole thread

[PIT-HAG Melissa]

On 3/12/2015 nunya said:

On 3/12/2015 Alley Catvocate said:

EXACTLY and unfortunately when O.P's see responses they don't like they automatically get defensive even if the poster simply states they disagree...

It's a slippery slope to ask for opinions so DON'T unless you are prepared for all types of comments...

best post on the whole thread

Thank you, Nunya.. I believe that is my first time to receive that honor.. *takes bow*

[Marienkaefer2]

On 3/12/2015 CouponQueen said:

As for the dog..some are great as Therapy Dogs..but they are vetted and handlers are trained etc. While intentions are good bringing your animal to somebody's home is a huge no-no..especially a "client.."

Again as for the Agency I don't think much of them. They didn't even make sure there was a Phone for their Aid's to use in case of an emergency. Plus you can't rely on somebody else's cell phone. If the screen is locked you have no way of gaining access to the phone. Or if you are not familiar with the way they work etc. The Supervisor didn't even bother to call her back speaks volumes about them.

A lot of variables here. I do believe hind site is 20/20 and after this discussion the OP has learned from this experience. Being new to this type of field/work also comes into play here.

I think those that are patting her on the back and placating her are not doing her any good..saying stuff like she brought her dog and a cake because Leroy reminded her of her father. Say what!? You are enabling and making excuses and while your intent may be to help the OP out to feel better. Placating her with that stuff is not good. She wanted opinions as otherwise she wouldn't of asked.

She knows that if she had to do over the situation she woujld choose to do differently. If she didn't think that she wouldn't of posted and asked that. You take time to think and process the situation - then ask for feedback ..

You missed the whole point of my post, but that's not a surprise, since it's the usual thing around here to seize on a specific point and make an argument about that, instead of reading it as part of a larger picture. I wasn't "placating" her, i was merely offering a point of reference for UNDERSTANDING her and her actions and reactions. I also pointed out in my post that I'm sure she looks back and sees things differently and has learned now from what's happened. In my opinion, a lot of people here have very little skill for seeing through to a person and what makes them tick. You simply want to accuse and condemn. It's a very harsh way to live, but that's your journey. ETA: As , much as you may want it to be, the world is not black and white, especially when dealing with human beings. In my view, it's better to take the approach of trying to understand a person's motivations while offering advice and counsel. To simply dismiss a person and accuse them without that (as has been done on this thread) is not helpful either.

[maryebrown_1]

On 3/11/2015 JustJules said:

On 3/11/2015 betteb said:

On 3/11/2015 raven-blackbird said:

On 3/11/2015 betteb said:

On 3/11/2015 raven-blackbird said:

On 3/11/2015 jessa said:

Maybe jobs & training are different depending on the state or whoever regulates and controls?

it's doubtful............basically a home health care assistant does what families used to do for each other and just called it being part of a family................................raven

Hey Raven-Yes it's true that laws on this are different. I believe in your earlier post, it said "Home Health Aides give medication and changed dressings". Home Health Aides in Kansas can't do those things. It requires a minimum of an LPN(Licensed Practical Nurse). If the clients funding source is Medicare, it requires an RN.

An HHA can do medication reminders. They can verbally remind the client to take meds, but the client has to be capable of actually taking them.

no............a Home Health Aide can change dressings.......AND hand them their medications.......they can't alter the dose or change the dose, but they can hand them the medications they take at the prescribed times and dosage they are intended to take..........in a hospital situation, an LVN is the med nurse, but that's also because the hospital must track the medication, since it's being dispensed by the nurse and not a pharmacist........it may be looked at the same way for HHA's in your state when you're talking Medicare............................raven

Sorry Raven, I worked in the office of a home health agency for 8 years in Kansas and in Kansas an HHA can not do those things.

betteb, you live in this state and YOU are correct, Raven is wrong but of course she will never admit that.

Jessa's post, in this thread, addresses my concerns about the laws/regs in my state of Virginia, which mandates specific education, training, and certification for specific jobs in the State.

As a Medical Assistant, I can legally give meds and injections to patients as well as change dressings (and I did this when I was employed at an Internal Medicine Practice). As a CNA, however, I can remove a bandaid, that is "falling off" of a Resident after showering, but I can't replace it - only the Med Tech in an assisted living facility is allowed to do "simple dressings", but the Home Health Care RN must perform wound care for the Resident (as well as trach's, catheters, and ostomy care).

The private Home Health Care agencies in my area utilize CNAs to do mostly everything for their clients (including colostomy and wound care, as well as giving oral meds) -- I know this because a gal in my CNA class was doing it (for the HHCA she was employed at, as a "companion") well before she had passed the course + the certification testing to become a CNA ! It's mind-blowing that some of these agencies bend/break the rules because they're too greedy and cheap to hire RNs to do the tasks that are required to be done...

I would never consider working at one of these HHCAs because they would try to bend/break the rules, using my Medical Assistant background, to their advantage, and have me performing tasks that are outside of the scope of my CNA skills ...and I simply am not willing to lose my License for these thieving, greedy people.